"If you do not paint" the world "you will not see" a corner "", a movie "In one corner of this world" Interview with Director Kobuchi Susumu

An animated movie "November 12, 2016"In one corner of this world"Will be released. The original is a manga serialized by this historian Mr. Miyoshi "Manga action" for two years, the director is "BLACK LAGOON"Mai Mai Shinko and Million of a Millennium"Mr. Susumu Katabuchi. For the production, we invited volunteers to support the cloud funding platform Makuake,We collected 39,121,192 yen from 3374 peopleIt is also known as a work.

The director Komibuchi made very carefully at the time of making that the column was serialized in WEB animation style "A record of 1,300 days"And a column of the MAPPA official site which is the continuation"Along with the days of SuzuAlthough I can see from the perspective, I've been asked how the director Kobuchi actually achieved this striking "animated cartoon original animation movie" in detail.

November 12 (Saturday) Official site for feature films for nationwide public theaters "In this corner of this world"
http://konosekai.jp/

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GIGAZINE (hereinafter, G):
Director Kobuchi was once challenged to animate cartoon original with "BLACK LAGOON", this time "This corner of the world" is also a work of manga original. "Animation of manga original" is such a terrestrial wave and a movie, although there are many mountains, many feel like the sublimation of the charm of the original as a work of animation though many. Since it is supposed to be a work which fans are considerable at the time of "being animated", whether to point toward such an existing fan layer or make it easy to understand the first person in animation, during that time It seems to have become a giggle. However, neither "BLACK LAGOON" nor "In one corner of this world" has such feeling at all. Why is not Komabuchi losing the goodness of manga and being able to sublimate properly as animation? When there is something, when animating cartoon original, is there something like land map saying "I have to hold down here?"

Director Kuroda Susumoto (hereinafter referred to as Katabuchi):
Since I was working with Isao Takahata and Hayao Miyazaki, I grew up in the stuff work to tell stories like "I want to make something original", "How to sublimate with original work" . For example, a teacher at the time of a universityHiroshi IkedaI'm a director, but Ikeda said at Toei "Flying flying boatEven when making "Ishinomori Shotaro's original manga, heroine has the name Ruriko, but in the movie he did not even name the heroine. When asking "Do not say Ruriko?", It is a translation to the things like "I am credited with being a" girl ". I was in the soil that originality of making a picture like that is important.


Katabo
It was a little different when you did 'Chibi Maruko chan'.Tsutomu ShibayamaMr.Chibi Maruko's first seriesWhen I was drawing, I was drawing a picture with no perth. "I thought that squeezing it out like this from the original work is a lot of fun." If you think "that? Someone was doing", this is Mr. Isao Takahata "Jelly child ChieWhen I was already doing the same thing already. Mr. Takahata says that the face painted by Etsumi Haruki is either directly or directly beside, there is no oblique, and actually Haruki sometimes draws an oblique face, When I did that, I did not become "face painted by Haruki Etsumi". It is also said that it is important for "Jharunko Chie" to paint the street all the way to the back, how to do it with animation painting color that the back side becomes blurred and it turns white becomes invisible Then, I gradually became aware that "Is that something like that ...". Shibayama Tsutomu, director of "Chibi Maruko-chan", is still an outstanding expressionist, and Isao Takahata is also a director who expresses again. But when I made an animation with an original as a director I thought that it was expressiveism expressed as a material using what is in the original manga of animation itself as an expression.


G:
I see.

Katabo
Mr. Takahata explains how to make expressions from materials "This original is like this, so when you draw like this, it will be this kind of expressions," If you are a famous spider "it will be a different expression" . When Mr. Miyazaki did this, I made it all my own expression, but if it was not so, if there was a rich expression material before my eyes, I picked it up and from there "From this work" "This We will make something like this when it's time. I thought that person was interesting as an animator as an expressionist.

G:
Is it different from "Extract expressions from the original?"

Katabo
It is different. I thought "how to reconstitute" it is a question of what kind of expressions we are being questioned. With that, "BLACK LAGOON" is very foreign-made, and the dialogue is also American Hollywood movie. If it is such a work, what will happen to the screen? Although it is drawn in manga like this, if there is a base of "Hollywood movie", I think that "I should do it more Hollywood movie." However, in the case of this historian 's "In one corner of this world" it is somewhat different. The picture of Mr. Kono is very unique, there is no face directly in front.

G:
"There is no face right in front of you"?

Katabo
One thing that is called a face directly in front is one that Katsuhiro Otomo developed to draw Japanese noses low. The other one is used when the game character talks to the person playing the game in the game.


G:
I see.

Katabo
Osamu Tezuka and so on are all drawn in "7: 3", are not they? On the other hand, Mr. Kono feels that "This is a very traditional way of drawing cartoons" apart from how your own consciousness is. I thought that there was expression of these people here. The other one seems to be looking at the bird's eye view somewhat, but when extracting it, the character drawn by Mr. Kono is a bit bigger and has a lot of legs. As Mr. Kono, when I saw that it is deformed like that, I am complaining that "I am not going to do that", but when I go back to that source, Mr. Kozo is a fan of Mr. Zenzo Matsumoto It is also a fan of Yu Takita. It is the painting of Mr. Kono who is present where such things have become miserable. For example, once you think that the profile of a woman drawn by Mr. Zenzo Matsumoto is the profile of a woman drawn by Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Matsumoto, I can draw it. With a slight drooping eyelashes are coming out. The poster of Tsuzu 's sideways face that I made previously compressed the picture I drew once to a tight jacket. I think that it is their own expression that not only the picture but "I think that this man's comic is made from this kind of origins", and drawing that out. That being able to express it is also a place that satisfies our expressive desire.

This is a profile of Mr. Suzu of another cut than I was talking about.


G:
When I saw "In one corner of this world" when I saw it in preview, I felt "I draw the everyday in the ultimate form". It is a feeling that it is located in the opposite of reality escape. As for Stanley Kubrick's "full metal jacket", those who went to the war at the time saw that everyone said "every day at the time of war was such a feeling", but even myself who has not experienced war, It is a movie convinced that when you look it is "Oh, this kind of course was commonplace." In the same way, when I saw "in one corner of this world", I was able to convince that "It must have been like everyday" despite not having lived in the same age, never experienced it . Why was it possible to describe this difficult part, which is the most "ordinary" in everyday, so that everyone could 'believe it was' like this?

Katabo
One is "I forgot the most important point element" during wartime ". As soon as I was caught in the word of wartime, I thought that almost all of the things that have been drawn up are being stylized at the same time as being in wartime at the same time as being too understandable. That is, it is a style called "wartime". Instead, I thought that it would be better to do it from a realistic point. For example, when saying "during wartime" it is said that "what to do with soap" can not be spoken after being told. When I looked it up, there were items such as "No. 1" and "No. 2" in soap,Laundry soap and bath soap were separated, but eventually the distinction ceasedAnd, as a result, as a result, I can understand that interesting things are connected, such as hair becoming unable to wash and girl students becoming okappa. I thought that it would be better to draw properly what I had as my prior knowledge to zero before that. Even though I took a sketchbook, the edges of the sketchbook have been closed with something like a ring, right?


G:
I often see you.

Katabo
But, "That is a metal, I wonder what will happen if I offer iron materials." So I went to see where the sketchbook was exhibited and I thought, "Oh, was that sort of like this?" Then, do you know which Tsubon is worn by Tsu at the poster of the current movie?


G:
When it is told, which is it?

Katabo
This is a monkey, the side is open. My sister Sumi-chan has pants. So I decided not to be simplified as "every woman at the time is wearing monkey". Then I found out that the style that was told that "These are in wartime" is actually quite different.

G:
Oh.

Katabo
Whether you're going to cook, "When you do this, do it like this" or if you hold chopsticks as long as you have animation so far, you brought it like this as long as you do this.


G:
Yes.

Katabo
However, in fact it is impossible unless you actually have to pick it up, and we will move on to that place more and more. And, the more you go, the more you say "You can draw a life feeling like this", you went to the troublesome one.


G:
I see. Then, rather than overlapping detailed descriptions, is it a feeling that it will inevitably become so if you investigate?

Katabo
Perhaps, rather than being troublesome, it means that "I made it to zero once, because I was styling until now, I could easily draw it."

G:
It sounds like a "healthy suspicion".

Katabo
I already have to doubt everything (laugh)

G:
Examining the materials also means that it is also examining whether it really matches or is wrong.

Katabo
That is exactly the case. If you say, "There is a gruel in the house", then what is the chimney of that chicken made of? If it is a tinplate, if you examine it by saying that "Tinplate is not gone by ferrous materials," it actually seems like an asbestos, I know a lot of things.

G:
Haha (haha)

Katabo
Although I often see "chimney is coming out of the roof" in the first place, that was relatively late, the early chimney was in the house and there was smoke out there.

G:
I see.

Katabo
That's why the ceiling is soothed. It was a culture という that the chimney was over at the middle of the room, just above the breathing height. It is rare that the chimney is stretched to the top, and as soon as the chimney penetrates the roof, this time the chimney and the roof have come into contact with each other, causing a fire. Or you can see that smoke flows backwards in work and the house is filled with smoke so much that it is necessary to draw a lot of smoke. That is why I wanted to bring in as much as possible that "If so, this is true, that one is true."


G:
Indeed, it is a feeling that "Since I was looking into this, I have to do something like this".

Katabo
Yes, I have to look it up in a ceremonial expression. Also at the beginning when drawing Christmas of Showa 8, 'Christmas' is itself a good thing itself, but what about what happened to Christmas decoration? Now it's time to make things like a mall to make Christmas decorations, "Is there a mall in Showa 8?" By the way, I did not come out in the movie after all, but there was a mall at the time and it was made of wood. When I cut the wood and twist, it looks like a scrub, but I decorated it as a mall.

G:
I can not imagine it at all, but there are such things.

Katabo
"Woodsmall" is (laugh). I can not imagine it, but it will happen if there is not vinyl. By doing so, I found a thing like "This was this kind of shape at this time" ...... The head of the nail has a pattern like a knitting, I wonder if it was in those days, or a lifetime Looking for pictures of hard days and magnifying it.

G:
When reading a column written by a director, many thought that when searching for materials, "When finding this material, the next will be like this", the search for materials is connected, and I wondered when "investigation end" will come It was.

Katabo
That's right. Because I'm looking for "world" in "a corner of this world". I do not know the corner unless the world can read. If you look at only one corner in a sudden, you can not position it as "this corner" because there is such a world around.

G:
It seems to be particularly effective in "a corner of this world", but this "It is not possible to obtain such feelings without examining all the surrounding things" was from the beginning of the project's plan Or is it feeling that it gradually became aware while it was doing?

Katabo
Rather, there are species in the original. For example, a battleshipYamatoThere are scenes to enter the port, but the original written "19 April", I was able to identify the day I entered the port from there, "I think I can do it!" I thought. In another scene, Harumi says "That isTone"There is a place to tell Mr. Tsuzu, but at that time it is said that Tone was in Kure. In other words, since Harumi knew that he was misunderstanding that he was a different war ship that is not Tone, it is misunderstood that it is Tone, "To make a mistake has a form close to ToneThe bestWould it be like it was? " By the way, Harumi says to the movie 's line "There are aircraft carriers today", but that isBattle of the sea off MarianaIt is because the fleet that returned after losing is entering Kure.


G:
I understand that kind of thing.

Katabo
So, on the other hand, they are in one corner and the world is not visible, but beyond that there is a real world that is fighting a big war and I decided to draw it in the way that I am watching from that tiers of fields .

G:
While listening to the current story, I feel that the level of reading comprehension is completely different even if I see the same manga.

Katabo
It may be related, but "BLACK LAGOON" of the original authorHiroe HiroeWhen I had an opportunity to meet Mr. san, I heard that I was extremely pleased when cutting out "This is a story of 1995.

G:
Huh! Is the stage of BLACK LAGOON 1995?

Katabo
That's right. When I told that in 2005 "This is ten years ago, is not it?", "Yes, I understand well".

G:
Why did you know that it was a story of 1995?

Katabo
I think that there was a talk about U boat coming out, but the fact that "○ years ago" at that time did not fit with the reality. So it was a time closer to those who waged the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and the Soviet Union in the first place than in the same age we were living in 2005. If it is not the current story, the cell phone is different from the very beginning, it is not a terminal that becomes two folds at the center which was large at that time, it is designed so that the lid closes only at the part of the call opening with straight type. In that case, Balaraika is in Tokyo, and after ordering with a mobile phone, fold the terminal and fold it up .... Although it is cool, it can not be done but it will close only downwards.

G:
When asked in this way, the answer to the question as to why manga original can be animated well is probably because "others do not notice".

Katabo
As soon as I thought that it was 1995, not '2005', which was the time of the work at the time of production, 'Well then let's do something like this' will spread. I think that such motivation is the desire to express.


G:
I see. When such a thing is done, it will be like this.

Katabo
The best thing about it is this work.

G:
And if you try to shape it, the investigation comes down to dominoes, or it is becoming a ceremonial expression.

Katabo
So, there are lots of books lined up in my workplace, but if you read all that book, you can not read it.

G:
Haha (haha)

Katabo
However, since I am thinking that this "one point I do not know" is in this book, I have read one important row or two rows.

G:
What you need is surely there.

Katabo
Even though it is a book that seems to have what you need, there are things that you actually need are not listed (lol), but there are books that I bought to research "this one point". "If you read all, it says something written in it" instead of saying, "For example, when and where did the forced evacuation began with Wu", and "to read only specific points" to find out such things, It is only books collected for that purpose.


G:
Is not it like collecting and connecting the data to Detallame, it seems that you are being driven to the need and doing this kind of wind?

Katabo
The first thing comes in from a more general thesis, and as time goes on and off, it is becoming to say, "There must be one such line in this book."

G:
What made it stand out in the column is "I studied in books", so I use the Internet to investigate and I understand that reading did not come out at all.

Katabo
It does not come out much on the Internet. Because someone's interest is in the Internet, I feel that the way of holding interests is not so straight from the front. When I read the notes of the parties who encountered the air raid of Kure, it says "The smoke of the aircraft fire on the day was colorful". This is also written in the American pilot 's notebook that he came the same day, "It was colorful". However, although both are "colorful", it does not agree with what color and what color it was. Moreover, there were more than two people, there were more people who wrote brown, others who wrote purple, there were red and pink too. When I proceeded with the investigation on what color it really was, people in the US Navy came after the war to see how much technology level Japan had, in the English report There is a report on "Color Burst Protectile" and it says "There are five kinds of dyes for exploding in the air to dye colors". Together with black and white, there were 6 colors of anti-aircraft fire in total.


G:
What was the reason for multicolor?

Katabo
This is to identify which anti-aircraft fire ship wrecked. There are a lot of warship ships at the military port of Kure and it is dense, so if you do not divide the colors you do not know where you shot, so it will be multicolored. However, the onshore turret has only white and black. In other words, it did not become multicolored elsewhere in Japan, because it was a kure, it was colorful.

G:
You know a lot.

Katabo
When I understand it, I feel a sense of it.

G:
There is a reason.

Katabo
When you come to understand, it is the first time that Tsu 's heart watching the colorful smoke is understood. The person actually encountered in the air raid says "the enemy aircraft was beautiful." It was silver and shiny and beautiful. Of course there is a consciousness that a horrible thing has come, but it is a feeling that extraordinary has come. Since we are now trying to draw everyday life, if unusual circumstances came there, what kind of unusual appearance is important is not important. If you know that "Oh, it is the figure of six colors of smoke", in this case it will become the style "What do you think of Tsu when looking at it?" If something that is not part of everyday life in Mr. Suzu is drawn out, it is a feeling that it will get involved on the thing called "Suzu" again in the wind as it is what it is.


G:
Without that it means that my heart can not be drawn, I do not know what you are thinking.

Katabo
Even if I can draw the situation, it does not mean that I draw a picture of "world" and draw a tin standing in that corner.

G:
I have to think about it ... .... When I hear this story like this, I feel like "Oh, I see!" I can not reach here unless there are so many things.

Katabo
That's right. When all is tangled, I want to get to the end is Suzu. My goal is one, thinking that drawing the city in realism and drawing various kinds of daily life play in the drawing carefully, everything seems to want to draw Suzu's daily life, unusualness I will.


G:
It is not limited to this time, is there something like policy that basically roughly supervised work is such a line?

Katabo
If it is "BLACK LAGOON", although it is not in the original work, "Rock-kun is always in good hair, but what about a barber?" That is why I went to that place.

G:
Whether you think or not thinking, it will take quite some time and effort to do it.

Katabo
In that sense, the storyboard was a work to fix such concrete things, so I think that the work of bringing in various things had almost ended in around 2012, After that, there was an approach to what I knew more detailed about it, added things I knew, and more specifically I wanted to draw this building on a street corner with Hiroshima.

G:
I see. In the column I wrote that Rokehan "I repeat the forcery forces which are likely to breathe blood over and over again" but it is written as "It's fun, is not it?", I wonder if I am enjoying it although it's painful Is it? I thought that ... ....

Katabo
It is a job that I usually stay in my workplace, so going out and doing field work is a lot of fun.

G:
Fieldwork. Certainly Rokehan is like a field work.

Katabo
That means you can work outside. Just today I talked while taking pictures, but I can not actually see the camera. Even if it says "Please look at the camera," his eyes are not turning too much upward. As for why this is why, as long as you are watching the monitor and working, you will see one point all the time, so the muscles moving the eyeball are going wrong.

G:
How ....

Katabo
But, as long as I work outside, I can not do such a stupid thing (laugh), so basically I am glad that advertising activities can go out.

G:
I see. Twitter is also quite frequently updated, but will it be included in a fun category as well?

Katabo
Of course (lol) It's loneliness to make images not limited to animation. I do not know how it was accepted. I like movies better than TV animation, because when I go to a movie theater there are customers. If you say "Thank you very much" at the end of the day, you can say "I'm sipping a nose here," and say, "I was good," and I can talk about what was good Is not it? It is very interesting that the reaction is such a form. In "Mai Mai Shinko and the Mill of a Millennium", there is an angle where you can see Cimiez under the skirt with a glance at the scene where Kimiko moved to get off at the station. When screening at the Hofu in Yamaguchi prefecture which was the stage of the work, a woman in her 60's of the same age as Takako came and said, "It was good that we saw Shimizu over there. For us Cimers is rich It was a longing that I can only buy it, I often drew it. " It is a usual way to draw a shimmering glance when it is an old manga such as Cimmy 's drawing method, but then he actively captured meaning from the customer . I guess this is "Oh, it was good." That is why it is very important. Even though I see my movie, I think so, but the movie I am watching and the movie the person watching are absolutely not the same. The memory and experience in myself are different memories and experiences of neighbors, so if you look at the same thing you will feel different, so ultimately we can not make anything in the movie.

G:
If you say that you can not make anything?

Katabo
I think that it will decide how customers react. "There is such a thing written in" a corner of this world ", it is not talked about because it explains this," I thought that the customer wrote such things "Oh, I thought the customer I think that it will be completed when you receive it.

G:
I see.

Katabo
If so, Twitter is actually the most effective result.

G:
Haha (haha) It is a movie theater, Twitter.

Katabo
It was very interesting to have been doing the reaction of the person who saw the preview and the preview preview. There are words that absolutely do not come out by themselves.

G:
Although there was sometimes loneliness when making a work, how is the lonely condition overcome?

Katabo
Really, I think that it is getting a reaction like this. In the age without Twitter I was watching blogs you wrote as flickering, but there "I saw these things with TV animation today", "I was like this," I was in charge There was something that touched the story, but there was a person who wrote the words exactly the same as the story I put in the storyboard in the word of the impression.

G:
Is there such a thing!?

Katabo
It was there. Although I do not reflect the story on the screen absolutely, when I saw that it is written in the same wording, I thought "It was transmitted ...... !!". The work was "Azuki-chan".

G:
How did you feel when you saw it?

Katabo
It was very saved. "I am not lonely! I was not alone!" (Laugh). Besides, I was surprised as to whether it would be transmitted to such a place, and I also thought that "to tell is an interesting job". It is also a task to tell some kind of thing like this, such as this kind of thing is drawn in Mr. man's cartoon, Miro's manga draws such kind of things.


G:
I see. This is the last question,"Record of 1300 days" 95thSo, as I was doing "Chibi Maruko-chan", most of my work was beginning to be only manga-original works, and from work, "Many of the original men with less layout skills and less layout skills Since we have to organize it, will we be able to assemble the picture story with the copy of the original frame as much as possible? "It will become like crying enters.If you do not trace the original picture as it is to complete the layout It is said that it is impossible to put such circumstances that are too miserable.In addition, if it is not as it is, it will be a trend that complaints will come from customers, It is written. Written by Hiroshi Ikeda at the university "The original and the screenplay are the foundation for making animation, it is necessary to think carefully after thinking carefully", but how about as a director of Kobuchi Do you think that things are ideal?

Katabo
If it is manga original, there is a reader there. However, there are times when the picture that the reader is seeking for animation is not "original copy of Maruyoshi" in some cases. I think that it is "ability to draw" after drawing it, but because there is no artistic skill to do so, it is different that "you can copy the entire original whole" I think not. I think that it is not my writer's idea that Ikeda says "to fully alter". Because I think that there is such thing in the original and that it is as my job to reconstruct it on that basis, so that the ability of the job is demonstrated I think that the task of "scooping up" is important.


G:
I see.

Katabo
Mr. Kono said that Mr. Suzu's charge was in charge of "Mr. Suzu is not so obedient child" (laugh), but when you read that original, no matter how you look Mr. Suzu is obedient.


G:
indeed.

Katabo
At that moment I finally understood that "This one is projecting himself to Mr. Suzu somewhere." Because it is self-portrait, she said that she is projecting herself not only that she is cute, idyllic and frank, but also has a more negative part that is not cheerful. But, "Such a gentleman is also honest! It is just that Mr. Kono has his own thoughts inside of myself, we are looking at these people like this! I'd like to argue that (laugh) This is something that I would like to express such a kind of authority as an expressionist.

G:
I see. Thank you for today.

The movie "In a corner of this world" is released on November 12. In addition, in commemoration of the movie's opening, Director Kobuchi, and also the original author and historian Konomi will also appear and the "spoiler explosion danger talk" event will be held twice. Tokyo, Shinjuku Loft Plus One on November 20 (Sun), Osaka · LOFT Plus One WEST on November 24 (Thursday), Director Kobuchi and Director of Screening and Mr. Hidenori Matsubara appeared " In the corner of this world "All of its survey and consideration!" Will be held at Asagaya Loft A on Sunday, December 11th. The price is 1500 yen for advance sale and 1800 yen for the day. It is planned that the event will be held after the movie is opened to the public, such a story as "I can listen to it now because it was released" will come out. Please join us if you are interested because it will be an overnight story that "I will be in one corner of this world".

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