An active package designer explains the waste of the figure skill of figure makers who make invisible parts of pants

On 28th JulyWonder Festival 2013 [Summer] heldIt was done. Regardless of professional and amateurs, goods with making-ups and commitment are not exhibited, but girls' figures have been molded up to pants in skirts that do not look as if they are standing normally There are many. This was reflected in the commitment of the producer side, but why did the power came to be focused on such unseen parts at the same time? Free Writer'sKeisuke HirotaIs the manufacturer's active package designerBeckoningWe invited Mr. and invited a talk.

This was held in MayGusset ★ AsobiSo, what was done by the name "What kind of work by a figure maker designer?", But the story will progress with Zubuzub to the deep world that should be said as a history of figures and pants.

Keisuke Hirota (Hirota):
Today is titled "What kind of work by a figure maker designer is?" It is actually a pillow of a story but it is pleasure looking at what to do. As a guest, I'm calling Bettin who is really a package maker and a package designer. Mr. Beecin, please.

Betch (below):
Yes, it is brilliant. Thank you.

Hirota:
First of all, I wonder why I became a "package designer" rather than a figure designer, but what kind of work is a package designer?

What
Literally making a package of figures is work but the job of a so-called figure company begins with making a prototype figure, and finally it is wrapped in a package It is connected to where it is lined up.

Hirota:
Is this such a wind body?


What
Yes, windows are open in front of general things. Generally, when I was told that a figure is said, I think the size that I can think of is one-eighth, roughly 10 cm in size. When we gave the prototype, there was a proposal from the factory saying "How is this kind of blister arrangement?" So, for example, check the orientation that the figures intended, such as the direction the pet peels through the window in this state It is a form to have it made. As a way of entering figures, space efficiency is good, but there are times when you are leaning toward you, so there are times when you make requests like "make me look good", in some cases here I will also ask you to "make me like this" through the project from.

Hirota:
When designing a package, is there already a prototype like a figure?

What
Well, making a package is rather late in the whole process, so it is about prototyped molded items etc. going up at the prototype factory. I am sending a sample of a state with color when making a prototype at the factory, but it is like timing to make a package afterwards.

Hirota:
Now, although the word "prototype" came out, is it that individuals make clay or something like prototype?

What
Is it polypate (polyester putty) or a fund? A fund is a stone powder clay, a material that hardens when the moisture contained therein evaporates. Polypate is a petroleum resin type material, but what I made with hands made by prototype master by hand is becoming prototype.

Hirota:
I am making a mold based on that original model, but the figure I am selling is PVC or ...?

What
It is made of material which is flexible as compared with resin material such as so-called plastic or ABS.

Hirota:
Although the prototype is hard when made with clay or the like, is the mold hard?

What
As commonly referred to as "mold", it is made of hard materials such as metal. In the case of PVC or plastic model, high pressure high temperature is applied to cast the resin into the mold, removing the mold and molding.

Hirota:
I like this type of mold. When making a three-dimensional object, it is made by pouring it into a mold, but as I said, there is a metal mold, and there are various types of besides that. There is something like white tofu here right now, but this is a type called silicon plate. Pour plastics and resin here.

What
I call it mouth.

Hirota:
Yes, I shed it from my mouth. So, will it settled inside? Then, the molded object is hard, but the mold is soft with silicon, so it's a little hair mold (type of thing) in here ....


What
It's hair, is the back of the figure.

Hirota:
Such deep molds and intricate molds can be made with silicon, too. Because, because silicon is soft. Because if it is hard it is hard mold, the inside is too hard, can not you come out? So in PVC the mold is hard with metal, but the PVC is soft. To put it briefly, figures are made with a combination of "hard" and "soft" ...... That is the undercard (laugh) So far, remember first.

It is about the plastic model that I am about to speak from here. Plastic model, of course, I think that everyone touched, but it is hard. Even so, the mold of the plastic model is hard, how are you pulled out both hard? It is a story. Because, there is a limit to durability of this. When pulling out again and again, no matter how soft it is, it will get damaged. So, the mold of the plastic model is very strong, it costs about one house to build.

What
It is very expensive.

Hirota:
Because it is more durable, we can produce tens of thousands of plastic models. Well, this is the story about what you can make with this type, but if you are originally a tank or an airplane it's hard, so you can do them. So, when making soft ones in a plastic model, I'd like to tell you the story of what kind of hardship the Japanese model industry has done.

Is it Godzilla first? Because Godzilla is a stuffed doll, is not it soft? It is a story about how to make such a thing as a plastic model. Is it necessary to make it a plastic model in the first place? I think that I will explain the reverse side.

What
This is a kit made around 1983. Until then, the monster model was the main battle field for maniacs, but this kit is to reproduce it in a plastic model. Among the restrictions Mr. Hirota says that I wanted to explain in the past, there is a plastic model that challenges me to express such maniac molds and so on.


Hirota:
Godzilla's scales are very complicated as shown in the illustration of the box. If it is a soft type it is easy to reproduce as long as the prototype is good, but this is made with a plastic model. Plastic model is a genre that made airplanes and so far. It suddenly tried to make Godzilla like this.


Hirota:
I can not do anything unreasonable if the mold and material are definitely hard. Although it is Godzilla like an illustration and it seems to move, but when reproduced with hard plastic ...... Scales are included just like that, but as I go to the direction of the plague I lose motivation (lol), somewhat lonely It is supposed to come to pass.


What
Molding of plastic is like this, the part painted black in the center is plastic, the part bulging in the upper purine shape is the mold. If there is no part to be caught when you remove the top and bottom molds, it will come out smoothly.


What
But, for example, when you want to pull out a shape with a little protrusion, you can not make it even if you dent the mold as it is. It will be caught when peeling from the mold. Then, it will become a shape that can not get stuck. I guess this is the fate of the plastic model, or it is the fate that used the mold. If it goes out somewhat, if it comes out forcefully it will come out, but as that will also shorten the life of the mold after all it will be, so the thought of reasonable mold making is put in after all. This is already impossible because it is a rule of a plastic model.


Hirota:
When looking at Godzilla from the horizontal angle, there is no place to catch on thinking to pull out vertically. I do not make it. So, although the place where the body is swelling can be various, as the designer's person thinks that the designer's person thinks that if you go to the end it will have to make it so that it will come out, the scales will gradually become sweeter (lol) So somehow There is no ambition.

What
It is impossible to make it.

Hirota:
So, let's go as Arale is easy to understand. Arale is also a soft character and I think that why it should be such a soft thing to be a plastic model, but that is interesting. In the plastic model there are places where it is easy to pull out and difficult to pull out, each manufacturer tries to show it just like it is devised, but its evil is interesting.

What
In the case of Arale, there is something called "wearing glasses" as a feature. You can do glasses if you divide a lot of parts, but it may be too delicate, increasing the parts involves stress as well, the runner itself grows bigger and the limit is gone. Because it was the model format of the plastic model at the time of putting together with a smaller number of runners, Arare is facing in one direction too. So, they are very similar, but the side of the glasses is not missing when viewed from an angle.

Hirota:
The place of the horizontal line is.

What
Yes. So, if you really want to organize, paint face to skin color and paint only the surface of eyeglasses black and make it mislead, do yourself try hard and do it? This Arale is a kit that is trying hard in the regulation "I can not escape from one direction only".

Hirota:
This face is very energetic and is working hard, but as I said earlier, as I went sideways from the frame of glasses I am a little bearish. Perhaps the person who is making this is carved all the face of Arale if it is easy to mold on the upper side, I think that I carved while thinking "I will gradually become unable to carve", if I go sideways. It is fun to imagine that (laugh)

What
This is a dragon part where Arale is riding, and the surface is a clear mold because it can be made obediently. The front of the face is in two open states, but this area is the edge of the mold so it is very sweet and loose compared to the front. Actually, it is so sweet that details will become sweet as it rubs even if it is assembled, but since it is sweet from the beginning, you will repair it by your own putty, you will deeply carve it and ingenuity will be needed.


Hirota:
It seems that the back of this neck melted. (Laugh) I guess it's inconvenient because I can not get out any way. Tanks and planes can be managed by dividing the parts, but living things are not good for the plastic model. But I'm trying to dare to challenge that.


What
Well, when we saw that kind of place, we smiled grinningly (lol)

Hirota:
That 's why it' s funny that "Oh, it was a hard time here".

I will enter the main subject of today, but figures came out at the time of the Gundam boom. I do not care about Char and Amuro, but Frau Bow is the only pants-showing character in the first Gundam. In that time robot animation, there was a girl who can panickle and Gundam did not leak to that example. The Federal military uniform wears something like white tights, so I can not usually panic, but Frau Bow is remodeling military uniform by myself. Well, let's take a look at a little plastic model ... ....


Hirota:
With such a feeling, although there is somewhat that halo is too big, (laugh), the problem just came out here. Do you think that you can mold pants on this? Everyone. It will not be possible!


Because it is complicated, the bottom of the skirt is buried like a buried shrine buried. Although we know the limits of the plastic model, we are too regrettable, perhaps that everyone who likes Gundam seems to think that there is not this for a moment. Seira is cut off at this skirt's place and the foot is a separate part. What is this?


What
After all, there is no such a culture ...... It is a high-ranking thing to say skirt and trousers are cultural, but saying that "I do not put a value in the skirt's being reproduced" I think that there is. I think it is strong that things like animation characters are not such things.

Hirota:
As for Seira, there was a scene to become a swimsuit in the work, so it was a big fashion to swirl the skirt and boots and scoop up and make it into a bathing suit. So this is the first step, then the second volume will come out after this. This is a product of Bandai, but what does Bandai see when he watches the modeler who cuts Seira and makes her swimming suit appearance ...... I will show you this, Lala Soon. Does everyone know Lala? Oka, what is this lineup like the second "Galma Isserina Bright Lala"? (Laugh) As for what evolved from Lala, if the skirt and the feet are made as separate parts and the inside looks like from the inside, what an ass is reproduced! Already with Ahka! However, Lala is allowed on the design of the skirt, after all.


It is this that surprises you, Isserina.


Iserina is a long skirt, but the skirt is another part to the last. Why are the legs attached even though the legs of long skirts are not usually visible? (Laugh) I understand this message of Bandai. With this foot, if you cut off and coalesce Seira, you can easily swim suit. There is no other use other than that, no one wants a figure of Isserina (lol)


What
Well, it seems there is a part that meets your needs.

Hirota:
Perhaps, I think that this was sold. Just around 1981, "Urusei Yatsura" was prevalent, and someone who remodeled Seira and Frau Bow and made Lam showed up. There is no reason for Bandai to miss this. Bandai around this time are looking very closely at user's trends.

What
I really mind.

Hirota:
So, it is finally this.


What
Huh, "Glittering Lam-chan" ....

Hirota:
Until this time, the anime character 's plastic model was for a child like Astro Boy or Ribbon Knight. However, when reading the back of the package, "I Love Rumic WORLD Rumiko Yamazura drawn by Professor Rumiko Takahashi is already happiest, especially we are headed for the charm of Lam-chan". Who are "we"! We are!

(LOL laugh at the venue)

What
When it is Gundam, figures such as figures as one of the characters that colorize the world view, such as mobile suits, battleships and figures in the world view of Gundam are very strong, This is already completely focused on Lam chan.

Hirota:
Hair splits parts into two parts.


The flesh is filled with meat is because it is easy to change the pose, because there are some people who want to cut (laugh), I do not think I have to respond to such a place,


Using this part makes it feel like a mascot to decorate on the wall, afterwards I made this "pupil decal", the eyeball became a decal. So, even people who are poorly painted have many parts to talk about, such as being able to reproduce anyone if sticking a decal, and manuals to be comic strips ... ....


It is this kit that changed history at last, is Lamb of a sailor suit.


Lamb is a bikini for casual wear, so you can understand a little while ago. But what do you think about sailor suit? It is as you guessed.


If you look at this body part, you understand, clearly pants are molded. I will adhere the skirt after this. Why do you bother to trouble these pants where you will adhere?



Hirota:
In this era, beautiful girl figures are obviously obvious.

What
Even if you do not see it normally, it is molded.

Hirota:
It's completely loose because it glue becomes completely invisible, is not it?

What
Is it rather quite primitive ... ?.

Hirota:
The talk was connected a little with this. If this is sold at a model store where children gather, then there is still anything (laugh), this is it. "Minkey Momo" was an animation that a little girl saw.


What
This is quite a historically important part, or I feel that the work itself "Minky Momo" was glancing at "big friends" now. At the time of broadcasting, I was an elementary school student, but the shock was decorated by Minkey Momo on the cover of Animage. I think that it was about 3rd to 4th grade of elementary school, but ruby ​​was not waving Kanji for Animage, but there was a sense that "it is a magazine seen by older sister older sister than junior high school student", but its cover was minkey moomo I thought what it was, and it seems to me that it was almost as if I was able to guess where the target of this is already as a minicomo plastic model.

Hirota:
This is it ... ... The skirt has evolved, and in the front the one that was cracked back and forth is pulled out with one shot. Whether this evolution is pleased or not (laugh) Bandai what are you doing? I said a little while ago, I told the mold about "building a house", but what are you doing with the money that one house is built You guys like you guys have drifted around this time That's right.


As soon as you come this far you do not understand anything, a sand - bearing mother 's kit comes out and who is pleased (lol)


This is a space suit called "wear puppet" which comes out in the robot animation "galaxy drifting bifam". Somehow the picture of a girl is attached a little. In the past, it was always written that Gundam's kit "This figure is not attached", do you remember? It is attached to this. It seems like "Do girls have ken!"


It's been around 1983, so I have not gone much since Gundam boom, but I guess we have to see why Bandai is going to have to do somehow (laugh) There are characters here, but this time
Is not it divided into parts until you panch.


What
When it is completed, it seems that the hero is wearing white clothes and it fits inside the robot, but it is only when it is enough! Why is it strange that you put on this girl?

Hirota:
Moreover, with this robot animation, is the plastic model itself a robot? It was embarrassing to buy this, did not it seems that "Are you buying this girls' purpose?

What
I heard that it is good at scraping around, or I feel that there is somewhat possible blinding such as "No, no, this is Bifham's plastic model!"


Hirota:
There is such a recent animation too. I do not want girls to see!

What
I do not want to see it!

Two persons:
Because the story is hard! It is!

(All lol)

What
It is also close to it, because it is a tough one. I can say otaku in general and people of Plamo fan at that time, but I think that it was a bit shy. After all I wanted to make girls' plastic models and figures, but it was a bit hard to say, there was something that there was no spiritual escape place if there was not a place somewhere 'Nanchachi'. Regarding Lam, there is a feeling that it fairly shook up, but regarding Minkey Momo it was made simultaneously with robots like Minkinasa that appeared in this 31 episode.

Hirota:
In contrast to Bypham, in the case of Bifam, girls are extra, but Minky Momo seems to be able to balance something if you attach a robot as a bonus (lol)

What
Is it a good parody feeling or something like "Is it fun?" "Actually it is a sharp fact, do you understand?", Those who buy and who sell ... ...

Hirota:
Pants and robots line up, this represents everything.



What
The robot is cleverly divided in front and back, is it?

Hirota:
Does the robot have no backside! (Laugh) This, I'll have to go out a bit ... a bit ... (lol)

What
That's right, it's pretty crispy, it's not something to pursue any further.

Hirota:
This is all Bandai, but since other makers are also following it, I can not introduce it all, so I would like to introduce Bettin 's best recommended unusual item. It is the Great Bulldog from the manufacturer called Imai Science.

What
All, "Mechanimaru ZOOIt's the original content.Art MicAsking for a design on the group of designers saying that, the character of the girl is drawn, but this is drawing a bicycle mangaMiya TakeI am drawing it. "Mecha and bishoujo" has flowed from the first half of the 1980s, and it is this kit that has taken out as original contents in response to it, and it is natural that it is composed of a mechanism and a figure, naturally.

Q
Hirota:
Does the item feel like a bottoms?

What
This is the kit of December 1984, the bottoms is 1983, so if you look at the shapes of shoulder armor etc, there is something to say that it is somewhat similar. There is a part that sits on the shoulder as a chair or sitting down, closing the hatch, it can be made to sit, it is quite a substitute with high play value.

Hirota:
Play value, is it expensive? (Lol)

What
Well (laugh) Play with various forms, I guess.

Hirota:
Reading this girl's setting, "Lady Night twin sister's sister has superpowers.The personality is a sweet boy, but the heart is a very gentle 12-year-old girl"


What
Although this is a sweetboy but gentle ones are not functioning at all "(ha) There is a man who made a set book called a setting book and it is pretty enthusiastic about this. I wonder if you can say I'm getting excited.

Hirota:
There is such a beautiful woman behind.


What
It seems that the setting wrote some texts quite well.

Hirota:
Whether or not I'm doing my best ... (laugh) Moreover, it is to make it a cell picture though it is not animation. It was pretty popular at that time, did not you say "It would be nice if it were to be a cell picture."

What
I also feel that there might be something major feeling coming out.

Hirota:
For this I bought a cell and bought cell paint, because it is not digital at this time.

What
By fighting lolita, ruby ​​is shaking girls in Lolita ... ...

Hirota:
At that time Lolita had that kind of meaning. Beautiful girl = Lolita. It was a bit nuance different from the current Lolita.

What
This is a very greedy kit. There is a selling complaint written here, but the finger of the bulldog part moves.


Although it talks a bit off the line, as far as I remember, it was a finished product from Bandai called High Complete Model that my fingers moved, I received a great shock. I was thinking until then that 1/100 Gundam Mk - II was the first thing that was introduced first to the plastic model in my memory, but since this Great Bulldog is December 1984 , Finger movements are reproduced at an earlier stage. In addition, it seems that the eyes shine with wheat balls, the legs rotate at 130 motors and run and you can play, but I think that there is something of age like 1984 years, but quite a lot It is boiled down in meaning.

Hirota:
Let's do whatever I can.

What
It feels great that I put them all like beautiful girl + mecha + gimmick, close to all inputs.

Hirota:
By the way, if you see the skirt of sand - bearing mother 's basket, I do not feel like regenerating this inside from becoming like it (laugh) This way of getting out is good. There are socks, but if you stick it to your feet, you are finished already (lol)

What
Just thisNittoManufacturers are trying to bring out the atmosphere in the package, right? That place was a little funny.

Hirota:
If you make it like this, thank you ~ (laugh) I wonder if this person made it.


What
I feel that there is atmosphere using non white paper which is not bleached.


Hirota:
"Excuse already" or a bill is stuck on it.

What
At the time this was sold, I was an elementary school student, I have seen it at a model shop, but it was a package with a slightly different nuance than other plastic models, and only the package remained impressed (laugh) I have not seen it!

Hirota:
I do not care anything inside ~ ~. I feel like putting out a cat daughter at least.

What
As a nuance it was out at the same time this "Maschinen Krieger".

Hirota:
Is this the same manufacturer?

What
It is the same manufacturer. Somewhat S. F. 3. D I felt a little impatient, I had a lot of shock and this was an elementary school student who did not know anything, so I thought that this was a foreign kit honestly. There is no Japanese on the outside of the package, because the surroundings are wrapped in vinyl, it is as if I do not know what it is. Because I can not open it I had a high hurdle feeling, I thought it was cool. It is not something I make a bit.


Hirota:
It was this we were making (laugh)

What
After all, this is the place where the Nitto was doing at the time, I feel like the design is common.

Hirota:
Because we hid it with our parents (laugh)

What
I think there was a feeling that we could not open up.

Hirota:
It was later improved, but the illustration of the first plastic box was not even a cell picture. It is the same pose as the cell painting, like Seira of Gundam, but I thought why it looked like such an oil painting ... ... From our point of view, there was a slight military atmosphere in the Gundam. Looking at the package, a bit behind Shar is like a vision.

What
This neighborhood is with Gundam's package format, mobile suits and so on.

Hirota:
While making me feel a little drama, but a military hard world. Where is it hard (lol) ......, this is to be hung on the wall. What do you think if you go to a friend 's house and this plastic model hangs on the wall? Bandai thought that this was pop. I thought this was a 1980's like a modern day. It hurts (lol) It's fun to see it now!

I'm pretty totally like that nude like that in adolescence or real it. I will return to Godzilla's story, but there are restrictions on the type, and even if one house is built with one mold, I will issue this. "Why are you giving out this !?" There are places that I do not understand a bit. When going to a factory factory factory, it's amazing facilities to build a house. Why are these things out using it? This, pants and skirt.

I think that gap is fun and it's not a fun place for culture. Because even though there are amazing skills, they make pants with such money, so it's stupid (lol) Maybe they are just Japanese people. Because I feel that the important wealth of culture will be lost if I do not take care of it more, I do a panchira to the extent that the pretty girl figures do not go too far, everyone buy it and say " , It was healed by this "is a surreptitious mashi that it is a voyeur of the actual panchira or the like ...... Anime, figure, and otaku culture are such buffers, it is said to be a saucer, adolescence I think there is a place to catch sensual desire well, soft and fluffy. Do not deny such a place, do not say too much like "Do you want to see your pants, anyway?" (Laugh) ...... Does it feel like ...? Do you have something?


What
Well, after all, once you have chosen the dawn, I think that I do not mind if it comes to wind like "eros". It is the same as the story of the mold earlier, but if there is any technical limitation how to break it down, whether it is a beautiful girl figure or a plastic model, if you see such a three-dimensional object it is very interesting and I I do not think so. Often we often bring an old plastic model at the company's lunch break and talk about it being amazing with the prototype teacher, but we often fought what we did in the technology we could do at the time There are times when some things are transmitted awfully, and something like sadness that we could not achieve was transmitted. After all, I am tired of seeing it.

Hirota:
In the end there is a limit to the plastic model, so if there is a skill that fills with a pledge shop of Frau Bau if I am the one I am now, there are some techniques that will cut out the skills, such tools are going out and I think I should try it for a moment I wonder if it will be hurt when it comes to the wind (laugh) I think I can do this now ... well ... OK. Well I guess it does not matter whether it's time for us to do such a thing as our age, guilt I'm telling you something. By the time I was in puberty, I had a terrible guilt to scrape this.

What
In the magazine "Hobby Japan", there was a remodeled article like Ram chan, writer who writes the article and example and so forth are all very shy. Because there is a feeling that we are doing something to be overwhelmed, saying "I did this kind of thing!" I was pretending to be somewhat crazy, or I can not do it unless it is already wild, or there is no compassion It comes to pass that sanity can not be kept. Before this, about 1982, that was the time I saw "Hobby Japan", which is publishing this remodeling example, but there are about three writers, who are usually making tank models or airplanes But I changed the name. I think it was embarrassing to not give out a name. It was a tremendous hurdle around the early 1980s that figures of this time, making the body of the girls were made. If there is no sense like "Nancha" after all, the text of the high school Lum who was the same as before, but there must be something like Lun Lun feeling.

Hirota:
It is said to say whether this is written, it is said that when gluing a skirt, "skirt is ○○ before, behind ○ ○, do not make a mistake! I feel a little disappointing" you know. This is awkward! I am sick but I also think so. ...... But now I do not think so. Looking at this, I can laugh but it is not really ashamed. Shame is already gone (lol) Because it is not so, I can not do it in the presence of such a public. The feeling to hide this is probably important.



What
There is a kind of product group around here, like a junior high school days of commodities dealing with adolescent embarrassing pretty girls of plastic model, but even a little there is something like a tasteful feeling awful.

Hirota:
So, if you go to an antique shop and you find something like this and buy it, shame at that time may be reviving! Thank you very much!

After the talk event, on the desk, a box of plastic model taken out for explanation is piled up.



Therefore, Mr. Hirota showed me the theta of "castle of the castle in the sky" that he forgot to put out during the talk.


This theta and skirt are front and back separated type, feet are different parts, but pants are not molded. It seems to be correct, it looks like it is not very good ...


Please note that this hot talk became a book in June 2016 and interviewed Mr. Hirota for publication, so please read it.

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