Interview with Kenichiro Tojo & Kazuki Makimura, the developers of the electric tricycle 'Noslis', and asked about the story behind the birth of Noslis and future developments.



Crowdfunding started on May 12, 2021, and the three-wheeled electric vehicle that sold out all 100 units in one day is ' noslisu '. GIGAZINE also publishes a test drive article that confirms driving stability and attention to detail while actually riding Nosris. We asked Kenichiro Tojo and Kazuki Makimura, the developers of Nosris, about their motives for developing Nosris and their future developments.

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GIGAZINE (G):
Thank you.

Kenichiro Tojo (hereinafter referred to as Tojo):
Thank you. Did you have any concerns about riding Noslis today?

G:
First of all, I felt that the Noslis was equipped with a brake lock mechanism, which made getting on and off very easy. It was my first time to touch a brake with such a lock mechanism, but how did this mechanism come to be installed in Noslis?

Tojo:
While developing Noslis, I conducted a number of opinion surveys within the company, and many of them said, 'I want a function that allows children to be safely carried.' From there, he said, 'There will definitely be a demand for bicycles that can carry children back and forth.' I've heard about 77-78 people, and when I put my child on a bicycle, I'm doing something 100%. When one child is put on a bicycle and another one is put on, the balance is lost and the child falls down. However, I've heard many stories that 'the only vehicle other than a car that can actually carry children is a bicycle.'

G:
I only have a bicycle, so I have to use it even if it is dangerous.

Tojo:
That's right.

G:
Certainly, when it comes to carrying two children, the only vehicle other than a car is a bicycle like a mamachari.

Tojo:
That's right. Also, ordinary roads are not only flat, but there are quite a lot of trapezoidal roads, such as uphill roads and old roads. When you ride a bicycle on the road, you're not in the middle of the car, but on the left or right. Therefore, the position to stop is also an angled place, and it is not stable with the center stand method. In search of a stable stop even in such a case, I arrived at the lock mechanism. With the lock mechanism mounted on Noslis, it is possible to stop with the three wheels well balanced.

G:
So that's it. During the test drive, I tried to straddle the steps to show that it is stable even in places with height differences.



Kazuki Makimura (hereinafter referred to as Makimura):
That's right.

Tojo:
The advantage of the lock mechanism is that children can be loaded and unloaded while keeping the vehicle body horizontal even under such road conditions. After ensuring such stability, I wonder if it will be a matter of 'whether it is easy to carry luggage' and 'whether the basket should be in a high position or a low position'. First of all, you have to stop stably.

G:
When I took a test drive on Noslis this time, it was refreshing to say, 'You can unlock after securing a stable posture across the car body.' In addition, even after unlocking, the three wheels are independent, so I felt that 'this is quite stable.'

Tojo:
I agree. There is a sense of stability, so I think it is relatively easy for the elderly to get involved. We have been developing motorcycles for a long time, but if we count them a few years ago, the number of people who have a two-wheeled license in Japan is one-tenth to one-seventh that of those who have a four-wheeled license. It turned out that there was only about. In other words, the number of people who have a four-wheeled license is about seven to ten times that of the people we have dealt with so far. Then, I realized that I didn't deal with ordinary people so much (laughs).

G:
(Lol)

Tojo:
'It's pretty amazing to have a business that doesn't deal with ordinary people' (laughs). So, we also loved motorcycles, but I thought, 'I think it's time to deal with ordinary people.'

G:
That's how Noslis was made. Was Noslis trying to make a 'three-wheeled vehicle' or a 'bicycle'?

Tojo:
'Three wheels' comes first.

G:
So did you initially intend to develop a three-wheeled bike?

Tojo:
It's the three wheels of a motorcycle, or the three wheels of a car. I first made a stupid big three-wheeled car.

Makimura:
It started with a car that was completely different from Noslis. The shape of Noslis came out at the very end.

G:
At first, you started by saying, 'Make something for people who have a four-wheeled license,' and then a big car was made.

Tojo:
Of course, Kawasaki is a company that makes motorcycles, so many people like motorcycles. So, when I made a big three-wheeled car, people who said, 'Wow! What's this! It's really cool!' Are almost like two-wheeled idiots (laughs).

G:
I see (laughs)

Tojo:
'This is the same' (laughs). I felt, 'It doesn't change much, it doesn't make sense to have three wheels.' So, I dropped the car I made into a motorcycle type and made it smaller and smaller, and this time my older sisters approached me. 'If it's about this, I might be able to ride it too.'



G:
People who haven't been riding motorcycles have begun to react.

Tojo:
That's right. People who weren't riding the bike talked to me like, 'If this is the case, we might be able to ride it,' and said, 'Oh, I've eaten' and 'I have to make it smaller.' The final result was a bicycle-shaped noslis. If you make it like that, you can get a sense of humor, or you can go to a world different from two-wheeled idiots (laughs).

G:
Certainly, when I actually saw Noslis, I felt that the frame was thin and had nothing to do with the feeling of muscularity, but that was the background.

Tojo:
I agree. Kawasaki is making 'Z' and 'Ninja', is n't it? When it comes to working on something different from those, you're far from being muscular. At first, I was conscious of 'I need to connect with a motorcycle', but as a result of moving away from it, I felt that 'This is a little counterproductive if I put out' Kawasaki '.' It became.

G:
So that's it. Certainly, when you hear 'Kawasaki nosris', you think 'what kind of rugged three wheels are you?'

Tojo:
In addition, taking the hint from an elderly person, 'I don't care about motorcycles or any kind of vehicle, but I want a vehicle that I can ride more easily,' he said, 'Oh, then, I want to make a vehicle that can be used by such people.' I thought.

G:
Noslis was developed with the aim of being a vehicle that even elderly people can easily use.

Tojo:
That's right. The main target is the elderly. However, even though we are elderly people, we are no longer like grandpas and grandmas when we were little. Everyone is youthful. When I talk to those people, they say, 'Senior cars for those who have returned their licenses are absolutely unpleasant, and I don't want to ride them even if I die.' Therefore, when it comes to a silhouette that is not strange for young people to ride and that makes elderly people think 'I can ride it,' it becomes a silhouette like Noslis.

G:
It looks safe and has a stylish silhouette.

Tojo:
That's right. That's why I made it that way. So, for us, it's not like we made a bicycle, but if we put it in a silhouette that the elderly can eat, the silhouette of Noslis was completed.



G:
So that's it. There are two types of noslis, an electric assist type and a fully electric type. When you hear the story now, do you mean that the fully electric type is the main type?

Tojo:
There is a feeling that 'the full electric type is the main one'. However, EV vehicles don't run much in Japan. On the other hand, many electrically power assisted bicycles are running in the city. Therefore, I think that the electric assist type is accepted for the purpose of actually running around like a bicycle, rather than being in the limelight first. You don't even need a license.

G:
Does that mean that the electrically power assisted type Noslis is positioned as a stepping stone to develop products for the 'layer with a four-wheel license', which is different from the target of Kawasaki so far?

Tojo:
I agree. That's the position. Since you don't need a license to ride, the feature of assisted bicycles is that anyone can ride without anything. However, there is also a feeling that 'if possible, I would like to popularize EV vehicles.' I'm commuting to work with a fully electric Noslis now, but when I'm driving, I get a lot of attention like 'Wow! At the intersection, you usually look at the rightmost lane and enter, and stop in the middle of the intersection. Then, the car next to you will say something like 'You. What are you doing?' So, 'If you look at it, don't get a number' (laughs)

G:
surely. If you're in the middle of an intersection with a Noslis bike-like look, you'd think, 'Why is the bike here?' (Laughs)

Tojo:
That's why we have to get everyone to recognize a car like Noslis. When I first started riding, I was often stopped saying 'what's that'. That's the same with people walking on the road, and people in cars ask me something like 'what's that' when I open the window. That's why I always carry a Noslis business card with me and hand it out.



Tojo:
So, finally, these days, there are few things that can be stopped. But after all, I don't think it will spread as long as it is said. So, if I can stop when I have time to leave work, I will explain everything and say, 'Would you like to ride once?' So, once you get on it, it will say, 'What is this! Where can I buy it?'

G:
I see, I'm a little interested when I call out.

Tojo:
I agree. That's why I think that the reason why Noslis sells and doesn't sell is because people recognize that 'Oh, there are such vehicles in the world.'

G:
Now, when you commute to work, you're not only riding a test ride, but also doing public relations activities.

Tojo:
That's right. I've been riding this year (2021) since the beginning of this year (2021) as a public relations activity.

G:
So that's it. Today, I took a test drive on a clean flat ground, but there are some rough roads when commuting. Is Noslis stable even on such a road?

Tojo:
I agree. I've been developing motorcycles for more than 20 years, but I can manage to be quite human as much as my butt slips. Most of the time, the cause is that the motorcycle has fallen and the front brake is applied, or the front slips on the manhole. However, with Noslis, I'm not afraid that one of the front wheels slips, and I feel that it is a great advantage that it does not behave unstable. In fact, it was stable even on snowy roads.

G:
Well, even on a snowy road?

Tojo:
Even if you run on snow or ice, there is still a sense of stability on the front two wheels.

Makimura:
You did your best (laughs). Wrap the chain around.

Tojo:
That's right (laughs). Actually, I was thinking of winding a chain with something like a

thick balloon tire. But now, there are no parts in the world, and tires are one of them. That's why I didn't get the balloon tires. So I put on the thickest tire I had and ran with a chain around it. I felt, 'Oh, I can't go at all with this alone' and 'I can't go at all with this alone' (laughs)

G:
I see (laughs). I heard that Noslis uses bicycle parts for many parts such as saddles, pedals and brakes, and that they can be replaced. What are the benefits of having many replaceable parts?



Tojo:
After all, people who like motorcycles, including myself, have a strong idea that they want to replace parts and put them in a position that is convenient for them. For that reason, I buy parts one by one, but bicycle parts are about one-tenth the price of motorcycles.

Makimura:
It's really cheap. What are the parts for bicycles?

Tojo:
That's why I thought it would be interesting if I could replace various parts, so I made it replaceable.

G:
So that's it. Noslis is made for general users with a car license, but it can also satisfy the desire of motorcycle fans to customize.

Tojo:
That's right. Please do whatever you want (laughs)

G:
The frame of Nosurisu, with headquarters in Kobe

VIVALO I understand that frame of is being used, it was supposed to use the VIVALO of the frame in what kind of circumstances or. I think there are many other companies that make bicycle frames.

Tojo:
Many Kawasaki designers like bicycles, but they say 'Kobe is VIVALO'. VIVALO is a frame builder, and it's a shop that feels like 'I'll finish it to your favorite frame.' Therefore, it is easy to hear about this situation, and it also has a name value.

As I mentioned earlier, Nosris does not use the 'Kawasaki' brand, and for us, it would be better for Nosris to feel like a 'custom three-wheeled bicycle with a VIVALO frame.' I'm thinking. There is also a part that aimed to be 'Kawasaki designed it if you examined it carefully'.

G:
So that's it. To change the story, the target amount was set to 3 million in the crowdfunding at Makuake that started on May 12, 2021. How did you decide this target amount?

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Tojo:
That's right. Actually, we don't know much about it, but Makuake told me that it's better to set the amount low, so I set it very appropriately (laughs).

Makimura:
'3 million yen' does not mean that you want to develop something with it. It is an amount that I decided somehow.

Tojo:
In the first place, the number of 100 units sold at Makuake is being developed by a team of 5 people, but we have decided that if 5 people work hard, we will be able to make 100 units. It would be impossible with 200 units (laughs). That's why I thought that 100 units would definitely sell, and I thought, 'If it doesn't sell, the team will be disbanded.' However, selling out in one day is a great bonus. I thought 'I wonder if there is demand', but I felt that it was definitely in demand when it was sold out on the same day.

G:
Of course I was confident, but when I tried it, the momentum exceeded that.

Tojo:
I agree. It sold well, so he said, 'This will definitely be cool.' Well, I had something I was convinced of originally, but I was even more confident, and what I used to say 'yes, it was a joke' is no longer a joke (laughs). 'I absolutely have to make these 100 units,' he said.

Makimura:
It's such a break.

Tojo:
Yes Yes. I'm not determined to do that, but he says, 'I have to do this seriously.'

G:
I heard that the electric assist type sold out first, but did you expect that the electric assist type would sell out first?

Tojo:
I was expecting it. 'Maybe so.' 'The assist type will definitely sell out first.' To put it the other way around, I think that the people who buy the fully electric type are those who like new things, want to stand out, and have sharp ideas (laughs).

G:
Do you mean that the people who buy the fully electric type are close to the Kawasaki fans so far (laughs)?

Tojo:
That's right (laughs). One concern is that some people may think that even a fully electric Noslis can be used in the same way as a bicycle. You may not be aware of what an EV is. There aren't many vehicles of the type called

minicars in Japan. I think that some people may have misunderstood.

G:
surely. Even in the previous test drive, the electric assist type felt like a ride as expected, but the fully electric type accelerates steadily when the throttle is pushed, so 'Oh, this is a completely different vehicle from the bicycle.' I thought.



Tojo:
The majority of people have never experienced such a thing. Rather, there are few people who have experienced it. There may be some people who aren't very familiar with that.

G:
So are there any plans to increase the chances of a test drive to let you know what kind of vehicle Noslis is?

Tojo:
I agree. I think I want to increase it, or I think I have to do it all the time. The number of test drive events we have been able to hold so far is very limited, isn't it? After all, due to the influence of Corona, most of the events are missing the opportunity to hold. That's why I was worried about crowdfunding because few people know Noslis.

G:
So that's it.

On the FAQ page of Makuake, it is stated that 'Sorry, there are no plans for additional sales of this sales specification at this time', but although there are no plans for additional sales, development is 'progressing steadily' Is that the direction?



Tojo:
Well, the image is, 'First of all, 100 units will be used, and then development will be done first.'

Makimura:
I agree. I want to know how users are using it.

Tojo:
The 100 units sold at Makuake are based on the idea that everyone should support the development.

Makimura:
It feels like a sample. 'Tell me a review.'

Tojo:
I'm going to have them incorporated into my actual life, let us hear the opinion that 'this was the place like this,' and then select it. I don't think Noslis is that cheap. Therefore, I think that things that cost a reasonable amount of money must be finally made into things that are thought to be 'worth that much'.

G:
Does that value mean design or ride comfort?

Tojo:
That's right. At the moment, Noslis is just made with the intention that we should be good.

G:
As a result of getting feedback for 100 cars, does it mean that Noslis could be in a completely different shape because 'this is what is required'?

Tojo:
It may be. So, in that sense, 'how Noslis will change from here' is something we haven't seen yet.

G:
So that's it.

Tojo:
We will continue to hold test drive events in various places to increase opportunities for test rides. Among them, a completely different story may come out when you use it in various places, such as in the mountains or in a great remote area. We live in urban areas such as Kobe and Akashi, so we somehow understand how to use them in urban areas. But when it comes to the countryside, everyone has no idea. I don't know how to use it, and I don't really know what kind of lifestyle it is. Therefore, I think that it is necessary to put the idea that 'even if it is used by a wide range of people, it will give you a point for the time being' for the time being.

G:
So, we started with a big and rugged three-wheeled car and dropped it into a stylish Noslis shape, but from here again, there is a possibility that the design will change according to various usages.

Tojo:
I agree. Maybe it's necessary to separate the types. It may be said that 'this is enough for urban areas, but when it comes to mountainous areas and remote areas, one unit cannot handle it unless it is made separately.' Right now, Noslis can only seat one person, so you have to think about specifications like the 'child-carrying bicycle' I mentioned earlier. For the time being, I made a specification for Makuake this time and put it out, but I think that it is from here.

G:
Indeed, the direction in which Noslis will change in the future depends on feedback.

Makimura:
First of all, please sell 100 units and let us know your voice.

G:
And it sold out in a day.

Makimura:
I have to do my best to make it (laughs)

G:
(Lol)

Tojo:
It's still a long way to go. I just cleared the lowest line.

G:
That means that depending on the feedback, there is a possibility that something called 'Kawasaki Nosurisu' may be made.

Tojo:
There is a possibility of that.

Makimura:
Some people want such specifications, so there is a possibility of making specifications for sports apart from the specifications for loading luggage and carrying children.

G:
I see,

there is a possibility that lime green noslis will come out (laugh)

Tojo:
(Lol). When I let my employees test drive Noslis, they ask me, 'How long can I run this?' In the case of the company, everyone was kicked off and said, 'You don't have to ride' (laughs), and 'I didn't make it for those people' (laughs). I think it's okay to leave young people and people who can ride various vehicles alone. You can ride a motorcycle, and you can ride a bicycle, right? I think that people who can freely choose the vehicle will do it without much approach. Rather, it's like 'do it yourself' (laughs). For that reason, we use many parts that are common to bicycles so that we can customize them in various ways.

G:
So that's it. While making the overall operation method easy to understand, there is also a part that you can do if you want to customize it.

Tojo:
That's right.

Makimura:
You can change the handlebar and saddle, and if you want to change the gear, you can change it to your favorite one. I'm thinking, 'Janjan, do it' (laughs)



G:
Let's get back to the story for a moment, but Nosris says that it's okay on steps and stable on steep roads. Why isn't the suspension installed?

Tojo:
Suspension, first of all, cost. And when it is installed, it becomes heavy. Our idea is, 'Do we need suspension in the first place?' I think that adding suspension will certainly improve the ride quality, but I think it would be better to turn it to other parts than that.

G:
What about the other part?

Tojo:
For example, lightening each part or shaking it toward the appearance. I have a strong feeling that 'Isn't that better?' Certainly it is possible to install a suspension. However, the pattern we often say is, 'It is possible to install it. That will increase the price by 30,000 yen. Do you want to buy it?' In the first place, Noslis is a vehicle made for elderly people or people with vulnerable traffic, so it is more important to have a sense of security and certainty of operation than to install a suspension. thinking about. Besides, if you install the suspension, it will be out of focus.

G:
What does it mean to be out of focus?

Tojo:
With Noslis, you can perform one-on-one operations such as 'If you operate it, the steering will turn off as much as you operate it.' However, as the suspension moves, it becomes thinner and thinner, and the feeling of ground contact changes. I think that it is more necessary to keep the three wheels in contact with the ground and to hold the ground in a stable manner, rather than diluting it. Besides, the selling price goes up when the suspension is installed. We also want to make the price as affordable as possible.

I also thought that the user should say, 'Noslis can be in its original state.' When you put in a new element, you have to throw away something else. Because it will be a choice. Noslis is a vehicle that everyone wants to ride, so he wants to keep the selling price in a place that is easily accessible. That's why I want to make it as simple as possible, so I don't add extra things.

G:
So that's it. If you don't raise the price, don't install the suspension, or emphasize the sense of stability, you are assembling based on the first concept of 'creating a vehicle for people who have an ordinary driver's license.'

Tojo:
That's right. When asked why, if people with weak traffic do not operate it with peace of mind, the concept will be blurred because it will be a story of 'who is making it'. Also, when I want to add something good, for example, money, maintenance time, etc. come out as compensation for good ride quality and road surface followability. I want to eliminate it as much as possible. Isn't it impossible to tell the elderly to 'maintain' (laughs)? You wouldn't even think it needed maintenance. If you pursue it, you will have to end up with a style that is ultimately simple and unbreakable. Even so, I want to make something that is okay in the end.

G:
When I took a test drive, I looked at each part, but the disc brake for the bicycle was also used for the lock part of the mechanism that tilts to the left and right. The fact that it is composed of existing parts rather than dedicated parts is related to its 'ease of maintenance'.



Tojo:
Okay.

G:
While it is composed of such simple parts, Kawasaki's technology is generously applied to the tilting mechanism.

Tojo:
I agree. To put it

bluntly , in terms of performance, I think the system that Yamaha uses for Tricity is superior. However, if you use that system, it will cost you that much.

G:
So that's it.

Tojo:
There was an idea, 'It's amazing, but do you need such performance?', And we think it's completely different. Sure, the Tricity mechanism is amazing, but it's a three-wheeled vehicle that can move three-wheeled vehicles like two-wheeled vehicles. That's why there is a part that loses the three-wheeled character, such as 'Why don't you stand on your own even though you have three wheels?' The person who rides the Tricity thinks 'I think it's three wheels' in his head, and when he releases his hand thinking 'This is standing', he slams and collapses. That's why Noslis makes it like, 'Even if you let go, it will stop somewhere.'

G:
So that's it. 'If you want to make three wheels, you have to do something that only three wheels can do.'

Tojo:
is not it. I want the characteristics of three wheels. I wonder if I wanted to say, 'Three wheels are so convenient.' Moreover, since we are people who make motorcycles, we also incorporate parts such as 'pseudo-motorcycles' or 'motorcycles can be ridden like this'.

G:
What kind of part is that?

Tojo:
Well, I don't think it's a bicycle that self-steering works. Bicycles have to operate the steer by themselves, but Noslis says that by leaning his body, the steer will follow himself.

I don't think you can enjoy that ride on an ordinary bicycle. That's why people who test drive often say, 'This is really interesting.' If you can ride a motorcycle well, it will be like that. The car will move as I expected. Self-steering works when I lie down, for example, when I step on the throttle or pedal, it moves smoothly as I expected.



G:
So that's it. That leads to the story of not introducing the suspension that I mentioned earlier. The sense of unity between humans and horses, or the ability to move as you operate, comes from the spirit of motorcycles.

Tojo:
I agree. The basic idea comes from motorcycles. Therefore, people who ride motorcycles will understand that the riding taste is similar to that of motorcycles.

Makimura:
Not only is it convenient, but it is also made so that you can enjoy riding it. If it's a convenient vehicle, there are other options (laughs).

Tojo:
There is also the fact that I didn't want to be just a 'vehicle'.

G:
So that's it. The story changes, but you said, 'I started with a rugged three-wheeled car,' but is that route continuing?

Tojo:
Um ... actually ... I haven't done it (laughs)

Makimura:
It's gone clean (laughs)

G:
(Lol). It's gone. Does that mean that you can go with Noslis?

Tojo:
Um. Well, to put it simply, it's the company's convenience. It's like 'Stop stupid' from the company (laughs)

Makimura:
There are many other manufacturers that make big vehicles. It's not an amusement park toy, but if you just ride it once in a while, it's used like a sports car. When that happens, I'm wearing a motorcycle that we sell, and there is an idea like 'Isn't it good because it's the same as the ones I've made so far?' However, Noslis doesn't wear on other bikes, and it's a completely different story. The market is also big. The flow is that 'making bicycles sells more than making sports cars, and everyone turns around.'

G:
So that's it. That's the story.

Tojo:
So far, the Noslis test drive event has been held only a few times, but the people who got on it gave us a lot of comments.

G:
Is there anything that has changed by incorporating the comments made at the test drive event?

Tojo:
There are quite a few. This time, I prepared a test drive that is close to the Makuake specifications, so I think there were few problems. At the beginning, the test drive event was held with a prototype car, so there are quite a few changes, such as 'If you fully steer the front wheels, you will hit the basket.'

G:
There are many parts that you can't understand until you get on the test drive.

Tojo:
I agree. Although I was able to respond to such opinions, there are some completely different parts when I actually use it in my daily life. I also ride for the endurance test all the time when commuting, but there is definitely a difference in the situation. Therefore, it is not possible to handle all usages, so even if you think that 'this kind of problem will occur' and deal with it, new problems may appear at the test drive event. I keep updating those parts all the time. Ultimately, I would like to release the specifications sold by Makuake after addressing all the problems that are already known.

G:
So that's it. Are there any other changes?

Tojo:
The turning angle of the steering wheel is also the same, and the arrangement around the switch of the steering wheel.

Makimura:
At first, there was no mudguard. However, there was a request 'Is this a mudguard?', So the Makuake specification is equipped with a mudguard.



Tojo:
Well, that part is the part that was said and corresponded to.

G:
Mudguard. Certainly, it's a part that you can't understand until you try it.

Tojo:
If you don't have mudguards, you'll be in trouble. The Noslis I'm using for commuting doesn't have a mudguard (laughs)

Makimura:
On rainy days, it's messy (laughs)

Tojo:
However, there is also an opinion that 'it will be cooler if you do not protect it from mud.' Well, it's the same as a bicycle. Even on mountain bikes, there are people who can't avoid mud. Well, if you know that, just remove it right away (laughs)

G:
I see (laughs). Is it easy to remove?

Makimura:
You can remove it immediately by removing the two screws. Even if you remove the mudguard, it will not affect other functions, so 'If you want to remove it, please'.

G:
I see, 'If you know, feel free to do it.' On a different note, when I first saw Noslis, I felt that the tire diameter was small. What was the reason for the tire diameter?

Tojo:
Noslis wanted to be short. I wanted to be short, but I also wanted a decent runnability, so I chose a versatile

mini velo style that is easy to ride.

G:
Is the reason for being short to lower the center of gravity?

Tojo:
The same goes for lowering the center of gravity, and the height is directly linked to the ease of getting on and off. I think that some users may not be able to raise their legs. I want to be as short as possible so that even such people can easily straddle.

Makimura:
The frame is also lowered in the middle to make it easier to straddle.



G:
So that's it. Certainly, you can't ride a road bike unless you raise your legs high. However, Noslis was easy to ride.

Tojo:
I want to lower that hurdle.

G:
You literally lowered the hurdle (laughs)

Tojo:
That's right (laughs). However, there are some disadvantages to being short. For example, 'If you turn left while the left pedal is in the lower position, the pedal will easily rub against the road surface.' However, I've heard many stories that 'people who ride bicycles try to put the left pedal up when turning to the left,' so I was wondering 'what about that?' It's a difficult part. I have the idea of making the pedals movable.

G:
Then, you have various ideas, and after getting feedback for 100 cars, you decide which idea to realize.

Tojo:
That's right. I will make a choice. I don't think Noslis is complete (laughs). If there are many requests, it will be rewarding.

Makimura:
That will also lead to the priority of development.

G:
Do you mean to respond in descending order of opinions?

Makimura:
We will respond in order of the number of people in trouble.

Tojo:
I have a lot of material that says, 'I should do it this way.' For now, I would like to collect feedback with the most orthodox specifications. It is not the 'place of trouble' that tends to be a test drive event, but the opinion that 'it is not my taste' may come. However. I think people who buy Nothris like it and buy it, so I wonder if they will talk about it seriously. I want to hear a lot of stories saying, 'If you do this, you'll get better.'

G:
So that's it. What points do you keep in mind when adjusting the power of the Noslis motor?

Tojo:
I'm still playing around with it. It is not the final specifications that I had the test drive this time. We are aiming for a mild adjustment that anyone can ride.

Makimura:
I'm making adjustments such as how to put out power and how to season it so that it doesn't become darn when I step on it. Regarding the adjustment of the motor, there is a specialized manufacturer, so we are in the situation of working on the settings while having a meeting with that manufacturer.

G:
So that's it. I think the appeal of Noslis is that it can be charged from a household outlet, but how long does it take to charge it?



Tojo:
I don't think the situation where the battery level becomes 0 is unlikely to be normal driving, but if the battery is emptied for testing, it will take 7 to 8 hours to fully charge. However, when there is only one indicator lamp left to indicate the remaining battery level, it blinks, and when the blinking disappears, it is empty, but when it starts blinking, I think that almost everyone will be charged. If you charge it at that level, it will be fully charged in about 5 hours. At the test drive event, I explained that it would take about 7 hours if it was really empty, but I don't think there are many people who actually empty it.

G:
Mr. Makimura wears a jumper with the Noslis logo. Do you wear it at test drive events?



Tojo:
That's right. I'm going to a test drive with this.

Makimura:
When I introduce Noslis, I try not to say 'designed by Kawasaki'. I want to expand the brand that says, 'It's not Kawasaki, it's Noslis.'

G:
I see, thank you for today.

Tojo & Makimura:
Thank you very much.



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A test drive review of the 3-wheel electric vehicle 'Noslis' that can run swiftly with outstanding stability, a finish that shines Kawasaki's craftsmanship while supporting a wide range of needs --GIGAZINE

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