"Horiemon" that a newspaper or television never writes "The truth of" Horie Takafumi "Long interview Part 1 -

HoriemonSpeaking of speaking, nobody knows about it anywhere in Japan anymoreTakafumi HorieRegarding Mr. Mr., it is true that the real image is often reported only from a one-sided aspect. It is treated as being "lying by not knowing that everyone knows by themselves as we struggle to make money as much as we do" but it is not necessarily the part which is not necessarily the case It seems that nobody understands. There is no such thing as a complete good man or a perfect evil person, because both human beings have good and bad sides as well.

This interview will be held by Horyemon's "Former president of Ameblo that worked at RoppongiWe read the entries written until just before the interview and we are interviewing. For that reason, even with regard to things that can be understood by reading a blog, it is based on the premise that "GIGAZINE's readers should have not read a blog", and even if it dares to describe it as a blog I touch it.

Long interview that the general mass media does not report why, the real "Horiemon" is revealed from the following.

~ Mukuji
■ Many thoughts as a premise for interviews, and doubts
■ Horiemon Arrival, Start Interview
■ Where were you grasping while the company grew?
■ The process of the company becoming enormous, what is the sight that can be seen in the center?
■ Do not be danced in a cheaty word called "Value not to be bought with money"
■ Lifetime Employment System and Practice Supremacy
■ On politics and economy
■ Work style
■ Various ingenuity as a business
■ How to live Horiemon, to live by real sound
■ Horiemon's Thinking Friends · Friends · Best Friends
■ Many thoughts as a premise for interviews, and doubts


Livedoor originally was not a company that gradually grew steadily over decades, but it was a company that went up to the top in a blink of an eye with a roller coaster. If you watch thousands of emails per day, go out on the TV, get out before the news and know what department is doing everything, that person can do it in 24 hours There should not be. I do not know what employees are saying, but there should be sometimes Jesus. Does not anyone in the world know that unless we explain more things that happened under the rapid development, things that we were unable to grasp, and the circumstances of the general public common sense? That question triggered this interview.

If there is a president, everyone knows about the company, there is a trend like that, I think that that is absolutely a lie. It is not so in any company whether the top of the division has control over everything. It should be necessary to think about how many people can look around and I do not know from how many people to the whole end. Yes, when the company comes up from a certain number of people, it is sure to come up with a point in time when the eyes do not reach. You will have to divide the department and specialize. In the case of Ms. Horie, how many people was it?

In addition, six months before the incident of lodidia occurred, I already retired to start this GIGAZINE, but at the time I was working at livedoor, there was a desk of Mr. Horie just behind me , I had a chance to see well from my usual time, but I had the impression that "It is exactly on time and money, it is quiet and somewhat better than ordinary people".

And, Mr. Horie mandated all the daily reports to grasp the full picture of the company on the mailing list, but as far as I know, only I was the interviewer this time to write everything from good morning to good night. It is also important whether we thought that everything would be understood if only checking everyone's mail. Because, if there was a blind spot in the email itself, it was a similar shadow and it became a big shadow and it turned out to be the blind spot of Mr. Horie? Because it thought. The shadow of the blind spot overlapped and it seems that the darkness was completely created. I wonder if that was the limit of e-mail. Based on these facts, how do you think that you can now control a huge organiza- tion now? Is there any effective way or mechanism? There was nothing then, but now Is there "something" to use this?

Nobody has ever struck Mr. Horie properly such a number of doubts, and also in the case that Mr. Horie who had "failed" in a sense meaningfully thought about what was the cause I did not investigate it. Everything is tracing only the superficial false event, and the original material is insufficient, so the conclusion derived from it is distorted.

This long interview talks a wide range of questions to find "clues" to solve various questions and talks in all directions such as pretty private things, thoughtful things, then at that time I will develop it all the time. If it is the original interview article, ignoring those time series etc and to rearrange it in an easy-to-understand manner, but in this article I will dare to let you realize "flow of thought" and "change" during the interview It is provided in the state.

Okay, please.

■ Horiemon Arrival, Start Interview


GIGAZINE (hereinafter abbreviated as G):I really appreciate your time spending two hours interviewing this time. At first, in the blog, the drink likes tea rather than coffee, so I wrote a tea of ​​plastic bottles so that tea in PET bottle is OK in these places, so I tried to arrange tea for PET bottles in various ways.

Horyemon (hereinafter abbreviated as H):Thank you very much. Mr. GIGAZINE is Osaka, is not it?

G:Well, it is Osaka. From there I was in the editorial department of SOFTBANK Creative and I was disgusted there, so livedoor just wanted reporters of the press department, so I went to the computer department of livedoor news, at that moment, at the very end, I had an interview with Mr. Horie I got it.

H:Is not it amazing, Mr. GIGAZINE.

G:No, if I was not in Livedoor, I am thankful that I am not the one I am now.

H:It is amazing to have become such an era as GIGAZINE like this.

G:Personally I am tremendously happy to be able to hold it. As usual I am in deficit so I am disqualified as a manager ... ....

H:Is not it normal?

G:It was impossible unless it was a long ago. When I said I wanted to make a living by doing something like GIGAZINE to a university teacher or the like, "No, that is too reckless, I decided to stay in the area of ​​my hobby at best".

H:It's nice, because it's coming soon afterwards.

G:Regarding this interview, I think that I've watched this question beforehand beforehand, but while there are items such as "I can tell if you read a blog", but I Since he has read all the blogs properly before interviewing, he is still asking questions in due course ....

H:Oh, thank you.

G:No problem. I read all the previous president blog until just before closing down.

H:Oh, thank you.

G:Nevertheless, ordinary people are ordinary people, probably that people who read all are probably rare. So there are places to overlap with questions you write on your blog, but I think that you can acknowledge a bit about that.

H:Yes.

■ Where were you grasping while the company grew?


G:The first question is, personally I am very interested, but will the company gradually grow bigger and bigger? If it was the first in the growing stage, the number of employees could well be counted with one hand Well, it is less than ten people, as it can be counted with both hands. Then, everyone gets to see what they are doing, but as they become more than a certain number, they do not know who they are doing anymore. In the case of Mr. Horie, how many employees have been started, have you started to be in the state of "Do not know what he is doing"?

H:There are roughly 30 people or so, is not it?

G:How many years it took to increase to about 30 people?

H:It will be about two years. maybe

G:Is it supposed to be in such a state that my eyes do not reach the end until that happens?

H:That's the case in a year, I wonder if there were about 15 people. I think it was around 15 people with a bite. It is about the second year that I have no idea. Then, it is troublesome to decide the salary. At first, I decided all my salary by myself, but I made a system to decide my salary, thinking that it was impossible to increase it anymore unless I made it systemmatic anymore.

G:It is a system of Livedoor's "360 degree evaluation system" (a system in which multiple people including me evaluate opponents with dozens of items from the web form on the in-house server and determine salary based on the result) Shin.

H:Perhaps it was about 1998, so probably it was probably made around that time.

G:In short, the eyes do not reach all the way to the end, do you feel like you will not know well about deciding salary or salary? Well then it was all Horie-san was doing until then.

H:I already knew everything, so I was still doing it at that time. However, in 1999 I was the first employee to blame my salary. I feel like overtime work fee illegal claim. I just slept at the office. I was talking about something like 900,000 yen if I was a Hira sales company in my first year of joining the company.

G:That is terrible.

■ The process of the company becoming enormous, what is the sight that can be seen in the center?


G:I think that the time when attention started to be noticed by all people was already around to a certain extent because it is a process of becoming huge, but that strictly speaking, where the number of employees is Did it suddenly began to increase in number at the time? Or was it growing at the same pace forever, saying something? Since I joined the company on the way, I only know livedoor in a big state from the beginning ... ....

H:That 's right. It is a feeling that it has gradually increased. It gradually increased.

G:Is not it something that suddenly increased at some stage?

H:Is not it? I am not doing recruitment of new graduates, so it seems like I always adopt it all the time.

G:Also I was worried about it later, but I was doing the president's interview at the end, but what kind of criteria I dropped by that president interview was dropped by what criteria Ram?

H:Something like a feeling.

G:What is feeling? What is it like?

H:Everyone is doing hard work because of a preliminary interview etc. to some extent with skill checking, so it does not really get like people who have considerable skill skills. But why did you interview the president, there was even a time when it did not really matter, there was no time. There was a time when I did not do about 2 years. The guy who came in that period pretty much did that and unfortunate death, oh, I thought this was bad.

G:Unfortunate death?

H:One died in a traffic accident, but on my way home, with a motorcycle. I had a little poor death on a rainy day though. Another person, Oh, another one is not dead. Jumping and trying to commit suicide. Well with such a story that it is being given to girls.

G:In short, is it mentally weak, like a person?

H:The point is like "negative aura". Something like this, I feel like I can talk, something a bit nervous ... ...

G:Also on the blog I wrote an awesome thing, "The court has a negative aura", is there a feeling like that?

H:Somehow, I decided on talking and so on, I feel somewhat odd. If employees commit suicide, they will be upset and work is obvious, but it will also have an impact on private life and the fundamentals of life will fluctuate. In short, it strikes the fundamental problem of what people are living for.

G:I see, i see. I was also interviewed by the president at the final interview of Livedoor, but if I thought that something was asked, I would not be asked anything in particular, Horie said the next business is doing like this I was told that why he talks talking about ...... and I was not asked much, so I thought, "What kind of standard do you choose this?"

H:But there are not many people dropped. But occasionally it is. It is a trick ... .... Depending on some departments, something like this is impatient and it is impatient to say that they are insufficient, because some people adopt a bad guy, let's stop that kind of thing. I was doing it like "he does not need it" indeed.

G:I see, i see. That's what it is.

H:Basically it is not dropped so much, at the president interview.

■ Do not be danced in a cheaty word called "Value not to be bought with money"


G:Although the talk changes slightly, although reading the entry of Mr. Horie's blog all, it seems that Japan's sense of value seems to be strange in many cases is written quite a bit, but in Japan's sense of values In other words, there is probably a tendency to make "making money" a bad thing, not being able to do. In short, the idea of ​​feeling like to dislike, dislike, to challenge you to make money. But in the West or the West, it is opposite to Japan, there are some values ​​like "rude thing" that things are not costly, free of charge. Because the idea that "working = profit as a compensation for it is brought, so it is correct" is common in Europe and the United States. But Japan is not like that at all. Working = you are feeling like self - fulfillment. About that kind of thing, how do you think from Horie-san, feeling what it is like to work?

H:So, that general talk, you guys do not do quite a lot of things I like? I feel like I am amazing. I guess there used to work to live like this long ago. From 100 to 150 years ago people worked to live, most people are. Was not he doing agriculture to make tomorrow's food? I think that is probably different now. That's why there is a problem first. I say that working is precious, but I think that there are few so-called "those who really work to live". Because it is such a world, it seems to me that this is somewhat different to eat something, right? I guess they are half leisure.

G:I see, i see.

H:Because even though I woke up in the morning, I woke up in the morning and worked from morning till night, the point was that I kept working as long as the sun was out and living like sleeping at night. That is the industrial revolution in England, and to put it more, agricultural revolution happened about 2000 years ago, human beings are liberated from the life of hunter gathering and the population grows dramatically, but that is necessary Because it became possible to supply a stable supply of food to some extent with agricultural technology developed, it became like it because it came to feed a lot of people. Then, after the thousand hundred years that the industrial revolution occurred, the steam engine began to work instead of human beings, for the first time human beings are able to have time in leisure. Until then, only a few really limited people of some royal aristocrats could do that.

G:surely.

H:Such a thing happened for the first time in the UK, so all the people's entertainment and sports are born there. Everything, in short, every major sport is from Britain. Major gamble is also so. That's why it's like that. Leisure was born by the industrial revolution for the first time. And the working hours should have dramatically shortened again. Time for labor to live. Instead, something like that entertainment industry was born, and people like labor who provided entertainment, so-called service industry, have been made. But the service industry is not "necessary for living", is not it? Essentially.

G:That may be the case.

H:It seems that everyone is working for entertainment. It is like a human being works for humans to enjoy. That's why I guess it's a game in a way. Even that. In thinking like that, I guess that everyone's thinking too much. I do not do a big deal differently, I guess. Do whatever you want to do and earn money by love. It is not such a big story ... ... I do not think I am something.

G:If you said something like "If you have any money you can buy anything" before, it was a great accusation that happened, how about that?

H:That is a little, the words are definitely misunderstood.

G:And, say?

H:What I wanted to say is that there is a moral view like 'money is not important'. Because it teaches that "money is not important" on the premise, there are many cases that cause troubles in various ways, because of teaching with education. So it is my message that you should know more about the importance of money, is not it?

G:I see, i see.

H:It is a wondrous way of saying ... ....

G:Well it is said that something is being misunderstood, to say briefly it will be like that.

H:That is why the editor summarized the essence in a breeze, but as the editor made something like thinking about that catchy copy, the contents written in the book Looking at that, that kind of thing is written. In other words, money is very important, and it would be better if there were troubles due to lack of money. The other thing I wanted to say is that "what I can not buy with money" is something beautiful when looking at something like this, but it is a falsehood, but in reality it is a vested right, It means that I wanted to understand that it was only a word of cheat used to keep it.

G:I mean?

H:For example, things like status or privilege can not be inherited if there is no connection, for example, a human connection. That leads to discrimination. Because I was born as an African person, because I was born as a white man, because I was born in a white man, because it is a story that connects to such things very much. But money has no color. It is fair, everyone can compete equally, in fact. It's so fair and a good thing, so if you are new to young people trying to start something you want to know that it's a very useful tool. You should earn money when you earn, not being danced in funny and cheap words such as "money not buy". So, money earned will be power as well. Because it bounces off discrimination and so on. Even after I made a company by myself, when I started doing it when I was young, that was useful as well. After all it leads to social evaluation and work is also going well well ... well, I thought, but I can not catch it in such a way, it is often used for deep-frying ... ....

■ Lifetime Employment System and Practice Supremacy


G:Since the burst of the bubble once in Japan, the lifetime employment system is changing to what seems to be supremacy, but what do you think about this kind of flow? Lifetime employment system and ability supremacy and about that.

H:Is it lifetime employment system or salary system of seniority employment rather than lifetime employment system itself, such things will collapse? Why is it going to fail? Because it is like a rat lecture. Even pensions and so on .... The population will be decreasing, and among them the workforce population will continue to decline steadily and steadily, I can not secure the posts of those over there as well and I can not secure my salary, of course, as a reality. Well, well, I can not help being a meritocracy.

G:I agree.

H:Until now, I felt that kind of fantasy, the reason was I used cheaply, young people. That's why there was a very big thing when making a company. I do not want to lose. When it comes to being in a company, it is not enough to pay about 200,000 wages, it does not go up all the time. Even if it is told that my 50s and 60s will get annual income of 20,000,000 yen, it can not be helped to become such a giant and receive 20 million yen. I think so simply. Perhaps I've been working for 40 years and thinking that an old man who gets 20 million now will come with awesome Kachin when hearing such a story. From a person who works seriously and has an annual income of 20 million, this assertion will become a story like "Oh?" I certainly think so, but is not the fact that I am telling the truth? If you do not understand it, young people will lose. In other words, it is more evident to see such a system collapse when they are in their 60s. Because population is decreasing. You can not support how you thought. Is not it a matter of where money is coming down from? I knew that, so I made a company. I made my own company and made a company with real power. The salary is the same. So, I wanted to say that "earn money early and retire," and "make virtuous circle". In short, make a company, retire in about thirties and forties, and earn enough until that time. I intended to tell the young people that they should at least earn about lifetime wages and invest them after getting older.

G:I was thinking about the cycle of money.

H:so. It is a cycle of money, the point is. I made a permanent money cycle. I made ... ... no, I wanted to make it, more to say. I think that you can do a good cycle then.

G:If Livedoor has been doing well as it is still, I think that people who entered in their 20s as if they had just said that they would like to get into their thirties, forties or 50s, but in that case, as an in-house system What will you do? It is extreme to say that old age is fungus, but what exactly does it look like?

H:It seems like a system like Recruit is coming out. At that time, the average age of livedoor was still about 30 years old. So I think that such a system was not necessary yet, I thought that it should be introduced such a system after ten years, I thought that I was gone late at that time. There is a system called recruitment company which seems to be an early retirement preferential treatment system and there are ten million or twenty million if you quit when you are in your thirties or 35 years old. I thought that I should make a system like that.

G:I see. Horie himself was saying something like the one I quit earlier if I am talking about now, but I think that if Mr. Horie himself is living forever without anything like this, he will be in his 50s or 60s, Even if that happened, was it the plan of thinking that it is the flow of the world, in short, the state-of-the-art sensibility, that I can keep up with it yet? Or is it different around that?

H:No, you can not go through with sensibility. Well, you may be able to follow the sensitivity, but the information input is a problem. If I can maintain the amount of information input, I think that it will be somehow, but my body does not move freely after all, there is no impossible impossible.
■ On politics and economy


G:Although I can talk a bit about it, I write quite well on blogging, but politics and economics are not completely irrelevant either. I wonder what Horie himself is thinking about each relationship. Or how is it understood?

H:Political / economic?

G:is not it. Is it a connection between politics and the economy? I wrote it on a blunt blog but, for example, "It's like I'm being hit by regulators because I do not care about konjak jelly because there is not enough lobbying activity" or something like that.

H:How did you get to thinking that lobbying or something like that should be done?

G:It looks so.

H:Because it is always thinking, is not it?

G:After all I guessed something like business or something like that would be obstructive at some point, did you pretend that kind of thing?

H:Premonition or not, it is that. After all, I want to put information from various media and analyze it based on that information.

G:There was also a story in the blog that "There is insufficient lobbying activity of the IT system", "So regulated", but on the contrary, why do you think the IT system is not doing such lobbying, There seems to be something wrong with it.

H:Well, you do not even know that there is anything in the first place? Because I did not know I was.

G:I see, i see.

H:You do not have consciousness to do such a thing.

G:Still, recently it is necessary only for that part to say that it is just a net regulation or something like that.

H:No, that is why I guess that has finally been regulated. In short, the "official" also has not been stuck in the neck unless there is a problem or there is a big interest right there. Recently the Internet industry has become bigger and I think that something like "No payment is paying in person", or simply say that.

G:I see.

H:I kind of like to bully.

G:Is it due to that part that led to trying to run as a politician? Or is it completely different from that?

H:Well, I thought that 'I would like to go out' at that time, did not I? With buddies.

G:Is there something that triggered the reason you thought you wanted to go out?

H:Well, after all I had something like "It looks interesting".

G:What do you say is interesting?

H:No, I have never done an election and I'd like to try it.

G:I see, i see. He wants to participate in the election as a candidate.

H:After that, that's the point of postal election as well, it's amazing to see. I basically agreed. I also agreed with privatization and I thought that the flow was good for me, so let's join. As a trigger to participate in politics like this, "There is no way of thinking with me" is rare, rarely.

G:Not sure, certainly.

H:Looking at the current policy of Prime Minister Aso, I do not think it is something. I can not support it absolutely, because there are many people who feel like it. But I agreed at that time. Unusually.

G:Oh, I see. That was the situation. Conversely, if it is from now on, is there a plan to become a politician?

H:There is not it.

G:Does it feel like you do not feel attractive to recent politics?

H:No, I have to change what I have to change, but well I guess I'm letting it think a little more. That is quite tiring with that one.

G:Also, it is said that I have not said that I do not do anything now, right?

H:Oh well, it is not done compared to the past.

G:If you are going to work from now on, what kind of work do you plan to do, or is there such a thing? Even if it is rough, though ...

H:Originally after all I wanted to do space development, is not it? I am doing a little bit now. In fact I really want to make it the main job.

G:When asking such a question in an interview of television or something before, the company said that it did not do, but is not in the form of a company, is it thought in another way?

H:No, it does not matter what shape it is, but that is. I do not care about shapes in particular.

■ Work style


G:When I worked at Livedoor, did you have a mailing list inside the company? It's said that all the people in the company wrote a daily report and sent it slowly. Although it was a ridiculous mailing list that it flew about 2 or 3 thousand a day in a day, although I wrote something frequently with Timachima and good morning sickness from good morning until that, properly, Horie gave me a pawn There was something that surprised me when e-mail came "I'm doing this kind of thing". In short it is that you were seeing everything, right?

H:But, since few people are writing properly (bitter smile). People who are writing properly catch eye for us.

G:I see. (Laugh)

H:I thought it was something interesting.

G:Certainly it was small. Because it was few or almost none, it will be a bad day. Still I think that it is great that you notice from innumerable mails.

H:Pretty much everyone wrote it in random order, so it was getting into a mere skeleton.

G:Did you actually conceive that the system to replace something after all was actually being made into a funeral?

H:Well that was also a substitute for a time card, so it was a system for calculating working hours. Well, I thought that there was nothing to do. Is it still ahead of you? Even if you do. Perhaps it was ahead, probably.

G:In the company called Livedoor, the main thing to communicate with on the mailing list is the main, the daily report that appeared in the previous story, there were quite a lot of mail based systems, but now there are various tools other than mail ? A lot of tools and services later came out later, did not they? Would it be something to think that it would be better if you now use something other than mail? At what time would you have used for work at that time?

H:No, I still use e-mails, so it's still an email?

G:After all, mail is more convenient, and more.

H:I only use mail.

G:At first I have various other things ... ...

H:What do you use?

G:Because GIGAZINE has been doing on the mailing list base all the time, at the most it is feeling that the information is put together in the editorial wiki.

H:Oh, I've put together information on the wiki, I use a wiki. And the schedule table and so on, is not it. Recently the mobile scheduler is useful, so we are managing the schedule by mobile now.

G:Also, something quite messed up on Mr. Horie 's desk, is he a quite messy person in the room too?

H:No, that is (laugh). Some of you are getting into a person like a male cleaning girl, there is nothing at all. It's not messy because I have done it cleanly.

G:Because I was wondering which one it would be like when I saw it on that desk, whether I was messing up or being busy too much.

H:That is busy, is not it. Well, there was something like it, I do not have time to be injured.

G:I see, i see.

H:People who clean the rest of the building will not even clean the desk.

G:Certainly I will not touch on the desk for a moment. That means that Mr. Horie himself is quite literate person, if anything. In short, if you have time to organize, it seems to be organized ....

H:Occasionally. I will do it once in a while. Occasionally when the occasion, really. It depends on things, though. Every six months or so.

G:Also, although the livedoor itself grew quite large, I felt like I was growing as big as my organization as a company organization, but at that time, even when I saw it from Horie-san, that was not the case Was it? Or was it supposed to be a time when we had a rather bad perspective? In short, I did not understand how I was grasping the contents of the company.

H:Grasp?

G:Yes. I was told that somewhere about 30 people did not understand well in general ......

H:No, it is not so different. With the part where the profit comes out, I feel like it is OK. I thought that I could leave it. Well, there were things like it seems that the deficit category has decreased and it got better.

G:When I joined the company, for each department quite a lot of people in charge of this is feeling that this person, who is responsible for this, mostly decides this person from the top to the bottom, where the authority is entrusted pretty dangerously And when I thought, there was a department that did not seem to be doing something so much ... As the differences in the grant of authority by each department were quite different from each other, it is somewhat different, in other words, the area around here Have you got any criteria to decide all of you, yeah, or something like that?

H:I wonder if it is profitable or not profitable. fundamentally.

G:As long as you are profitable, are you steadily increasing?

H:Is not it Ikeike, it is like "leave it to you."

G:On the contrary, in the case of a department that is not profitable, then ... ...

H:It becomes considerably finer. Reduce costs, for example.

G:In other words, whether it is profitable or not profitable is the standard, and the authorization has been given.

H:In short, it is true.

G:I did not understand it from the end. When I look at it from the end, why is that person solely responsible for this and who has instructions so much in detail? Because it was strange.

H:Is not it simply profitable or not profitable?

G:If you were profitable enough to trust that person, was it the company's policy from the beginning already? Did you decide that it is better at some point?

H:The body does not have it anymore. I was giving instructions all in detail.

G:Certainly, I have only 24 hours. In short, the decision to leave the place to leave is the judgment that it would be better to leave if it is profitable.

H:I mean "I do not have much time". Time to look like that.

G:I leave it to that kind of wind. Even if I leave it, I think there is a scene where the president decides at some point, or did you leave the department that can basically leave such a thing?

H:Well, I think there is a difference in level.

G:When I saw it at once, though I thought that it was a company that grew quite guts and jet coasters much better than the company that gradually grew steadily steadily at the same pace, though the most From the perspective of the president standing on, how did you see the inside of the company? I was using a doker at Roppongi Hills 38th floor, but did anything change my mind?

H:I do not think there is much, I feel like it.

G:Do you feel like the number of people grew steadily and became bigger as it was in the beginning?

H:It is such feeling, imagewise.

G:Oh, because I borrowed a one floor of Roppongi Hills, I feel that I came all the way on that extension, not "Oh, there is something that is deeply embarrassing". Perhaps it is impossible for ordinary people to understand the feeling in the vicinity. Because ordinary people will not have experienced such a sudden increase in size.

H:That's right, yeah.

G:To ordinary people, something like that, something that expresses such a feeling, standing at the top of the company at that time, something like words, how to say, something like that. It almost seemed like this. Perhaps if it is an ordinary person, is there something like a kind of wonder if you put it like this?

H:Well, I'm not serious, really. Actually it has not changed much. I never really mind. Because I was busy, I do not even look back, I guess.

G:How was the scheduling etc of the schedule at that time?

H:I guess you put it in something proper (laugh)

G:Did you also have time to spare time?

H:I do not have time to spare. Because I was watching e-mail for a while as I was at my office. There are plans to meet people, do not you think? Meet people, various, I plan to meet with outside people. Since the meeting is still in, I can not mail that time. So, I've been emailing you all the time.

G:It will be forced to do it except the time when I do not mail it, so I will see the mail all the time at other times.

H:Yes Yes. So I was e-mailing when I can mail. I have been e-mailing even on business trips.

G:So I was able to do so much

H:I agree. So it is up to you to see the mail even if you go home.

G:I feel like I have been working forever.

H:Even if I wake up in the morning, I have something I'm watching right away and I'm always mailing. Doing e-mails all the time, doing meetings, doing a journal or something while traveling, it seems that it seems like it has been going on forever. So entering an environment where you can not really see emails or something for a day was quite a big deal, to handle it later.

G:It will be collected. In addition, it means that all the mails were read, how did you handle it?

H:Oh well there is a way of reading, only reading titles. Can you roughly type it? Still, there are still remaining mails. Somehow, there are e - mails that can not be processed right away, and what I should do is something like this. That kind of thing has been left for a long time, I feel unpleasant, is that it remains.

G:Another thing that worked and was impressive when Mr. Horie got back to the conference with the top people of each division of Livedoor, said, "How come this livedoor's top page is displayed so much There was a time when I was furious with raging because I was late! But, was there something like that that was the standard? Livedoor's top page should be displayed within seconds.

H:Not. It is a sense.

G:If it is sensuously late, is it already out?

H:Yeah, it's already out. If the top page is late. That was very stuck.

G:I think ordinary people do not understand a little Kodawari around that, but how about things like speed commitment?

H:Because it will be so if you think about yourself. I guess I will never see late sites again. It's already important that speed is anyway, and it's insidious to say that it's not going to be faster unless speed is high.
■ Various ingenuity as a business


G:Personally I left a very impressive thing, livedoor was on the 38th floor. Then, even if it is lunch break, it takes a lot of time to get down to the convenience store below and it will only eat with round trip about 15 minutes alone, so somehow story like Horie san Then, "If that is it, you have to pull a convenience store from the bottom," and say that the next day it was like a small convenience store, like a "livedoor convenience store" inside the company on the 38th floor I was surprised there. To the speed and power of its action.

H:You did it. That was quick. As soon as I got it, the staff in charge.

G:Horie - san did not go to say it, what is that?

H:I did not go down to say, I do not remember, (laugh) Well, that margin was supposed to be kicked back to the company. Because I will let you do business here. Well, the margin is cheap, but for the employees as a result it was possible to purchase a box lunch or the like at a cheap price, time was also saved, convenience was good and it was good.

G:It was incredibly useful. It was truly a blessing, surely that.

H:I was thinking about that a lot, always. About how to balance expenses and how to combine welfare benefits. That was a pretty good idea, was not it?

G:Were there any other good ideas?

H:Although I did not realize, there was a time when I thought about health insurance a little about welfare benefits.

G:What do you say?

H:It was already already in the Tokyo Metropolitan Small Computer Software Industry Health Insurance Association (now Kanto IT Software Health Insurance Association). That is good, is not it? It is cheaper than regular national health insurance, premium is. Because, because all the insured are young.

G:Oh, was that cheap?

H:That's right. Because National Health Insurance is up to the elderly as well as the average age of Japan, the medical expenses are expensive as well. Among the health insurance cooperatives, that small computer software industry health insurance association is very nice, everyone does not go to the hospital. As medical expenses are not involved, as a result welfare is fulfilling, and insurance premiums are cheaper. Recently something politically made the company 's health insurance society to bear the deficit of national health insurance or such policy seems to be passing and it seemed to be messed up. Also, I was about to make a health insurance group of livedoor group.

G:Really?

H:Then it will be cheaper because the average age will drop further. I hope it will be cheaper. And, because the system of the health insurance union and all such guys can be ordered at once by the livedoor group, it should be made cheaper.

G:I also had quite a few people.

H:so. So I thought that it would be great to make a health insurance cooperative on its own. Many acquisitions were done well, the number of people was also increasing, and there were thousands of employees as well as adding up all, so there were also things like unions that could not be made. It was a while before I realized it yet ... ....

G:Is there anything else interesting idea that I thought of these with something welfare?

H:Later, as usual, is not it originally thought that first, rent guarantee.

G:Oh, there was.

H:It is a pseudo-house treatment. That company had benefits, too.

G:What do you say?

H:For example, supposing that salary is 200,000, we assume that the rent is 100,000 yen, which means that 50,000 yen will be borne by the company. The point is that the place deducted by 50,000 yen becomes the salary calculation. Moreover, it is not taxable for that part if it is in half. Because it can handle expenses. Because 150,000 yen is paid, it becomes taxable income. Well if it is 150 thousand, I think that tax will be rarely taxed, but it will come all by chance. But if you receive 200,000, you are taxed for a while and become tens of thousands, you pay 10 million from the inside, do not you have a lot of rework? That's why I made a semi-company housing system.

G:When did you make that system?

H:Is not it pretty? 1997 and so on.

G:It was pretty early days.

H:After all, since my company was still small at the time, people did not settle so easily. There was also one purpose to establish people, because it seems that semi-company system. If the company rents the company's house, the point will be set aside, so we will declare it as a contract without permission. Well I decided to contract with the company, though. There are also things that I want you to make a nursery, but I think that it was probably an assistance system because it is inefficient to make daycare centers, but I guess how much it would be if a child could do it It was.

G:Personally I was impressed by the fact that it was like an assistance system for PC purchase money, so I used it, when did you get around that?

H:After all, when it comes to letting the company buy a personal computer, programmers and designers are trying to buy lots of livedoor at that time, high on Macs and so on. If such a purchase is made, is not it uninteresting? Because it is troublesome to dismiss every time, normal ordinary employees will pay 100,000 a year at a time, so let's love it already. You can save 2 years and buy a PC at 200,000 yen, after that it is personal freedom that you do not have to replace the computer any more. I'll give you 100,000 at a time. Extreme story, I do not know if I use the company's personal computer for private, such a thing. I will take it home. First of all, as a fundamental way of thinking, I did not want to regulate bringing home. Of course there was something variously messed up by a person who brought in internal documents that would get misunderstood at the time of the incident, like doing things like getting into the prosecution. But though. I did not want to do that kind of thing, it looks like censorship. It seems that Rakuten was doing. Rakuten is not going to bring home the computer.

G:Oh, is that so?

H:That's right. It seems that it is prohibited to bring out any materials. In that sense I guard the company. I did not want to do that kind of thing, so I want to leave it to free will. Because I wanted everyone to leave it to morals. I do not know whether PCs are personal items or things of the company, is not it?

G:Well I usually do not understand.

H:Is not it really a shameful thing? Because all the employees of the computer company are doing the job because they like it.

G:Yes, it is.

H:It is a story that it does not make much sense to divide it into a company's personal computer, a household's personal computer, and so on, and so on. It's nonsense. Actually there were lots of people who brought their own laptops to the office and worked. Perhaps you do not need a company's computer? I am from a story like it, in fact.

G:Ah, I see. From when did you talk about that kind of stuff like that?

H:I think that it was two or three years ago. Perhaps I was thinking about 2 or 3 years ago when an incident occurred, and I was opposed to various things, but I emphasized that absolutely that would be better.

G:From the working side, I thought that was a very nice system, surely.

H:So if you try to be a computer company well, I think that there are many people who say it is a good thing. Because it is troublesome even if it is used like an old PC of something strange. Is not it honest?

G:I am in trouble, that's it. Even if you are told that you can use this computer, the person who brought your own computer at this time is working earlier, but maybe it is called.

H:Also, people who have never touched a personal computer do not come in much, but I do not have a computer, for the time being I feel like I 'll put the stock of a computer I bought in the company a long time ago It was supposed to be.

■ How to live Horiemon, to live by real sound


G:Also, I can talk a bit again, but Mr. Horie is not the one who speaks with real intention. I write Dodo Dot as a way to understand why blogs are intrinsically intrinsic just as anyone sees it, but in Japan it seems like there is no culture saying something with real intention Is not it? On the net everyone gets honest, but it is becoming a fuzzy feeling, but conversely speaking of real intention towards the face with reality, in reality, speaking things with real intention in public places Is not it less? As to such things, which of them is Horie himself thinking that he / she will go with the same stance as before, or thinking that he should refrain to refrain to a certain extent about himself who is going to say honest? Although I think that it does not change at all as it used to when I was watching a blog.

H:I am trying to make the explanation finer than before, or I try to polite it.

G:And saying ...?

H:No, so it was a blunder .... Previously. There were many parts that were misunderstood by bluntness, so I tried to explain exactly. Surprisingly, everyone, there are many people who do not know, I feel like it. Even though I explain that much, I write something I do not understand in the comment and there are things like "Eh?"!

G:Oh, I see. While watching the blog comment field.

H:Sometimes you have it?

G:Yes. "What on earth are you talking about?" "What did you read and how?"

H:I have it. So well as well as possible.

G:As I thought about that, I am now writing a blog.

H:I agree. In the saying itself, I did not intend to say that it is so wrong, so I dared to dare to say so, there is no point in wrapping it in oblate. Besides that, it seems to want to explain the true part of the real thing exactly.

G:What is the conclusion that did you make judgment that it would be better to put out the real intention around it now? That is, Horie-san's current style or way of life. Or is it from long ago?

H:Well, it is.

G:Is it comparatively old and old?

H:It is a feeling that it is better to say rather than to stress by tolerating it. It is a stance that one who has received repulsion by saying is still good.

G:In other words, is that saying something like this and receiving repulsion in reverse, saying that it is on your preparedness?

H:Well prepared oneself. Do you feel prepared or you will be rebellious? Normally.

G:Well, the pile that comes out is supposed to be struck, but what is wrong with the pile that strikes backwards being struck ... is not it a feeling that there is no problem because it can bear? I am quite writing such a thing on a blog, though.

H:Well do you think so.

G:Most recently it's blog blaze or what's blog blaze What is blazing like blazing like fireflies Somehow I do not understand the meaning well, but if you are watching something like that, if you are writing with ordinary celebrity blogs, There is a rush of comments to blame and the phenomenon "flames" will occur. Even though Horie's blog likewise wrote a real intention, it is hard to cause flames up. What do you think is the cause of that difference?

H:Well, after all, are not you thinking about writing properly?

G:Conversely, it can be said that those who are on fire are insufficient to think about them.

H:Many people say quite carelessly. Also, do not you have to write sort of things that net people think like this? Even if you write it, you do not have to respond immediately or refute.

G:I see. Also, I think that Mr. Horie has been doing the net for a long time but I think that it is definitely changing people who use the Internet, but how do you use the net when you see Horie-san? Do people look like they are changing?

H:Is that changing? I do not know, I have never thought about it.

G:In short, it is strange to say that it is the same as it used to be, but well, I never thought like that.

H:Yup.

G:Is there something called "Oops!" After saying something quite genuinely? Or is there such a thing?

H:It is not recently.

G:Does that mean that there was such a thing in the past?

H:That is more like this. I was about twenty years old ... ....

■ Horiemon's Thinking Friends · Friends · Best Friends


G:I do not understand at all by media coverage of general, but is there a "friend"? Or what are they like to be called "best friends"?

H:I have friends. However, there are not many close friends. There is not much, is not it?

G:Even though it is said to be few, perhaps I think that the number is totally disjointed by people, how much is it?

H:Oh well, some people, is not it?

G:Horie 's definition of a best friend is strange, but these guys are best friends, what kind of people are recognized as best friends?

H:I think that there are really few in that sense. It may be equal to not being, I can say anything. I wonder if I can say anything, I can speak like a phone, on a cell phone, or something like that.

G:What is like a best friend is a close friend I made in the past, or is not it?

H:No, old friends have difficulty because their values ​​are changing. It's different from where you live, what you are doing now is different, your position is different, and it's hard to get there. Everyone, I heard someone told me like this kind of thing, it has become a lot easier, but "friends do not have to see me for years, separately".

G:That's a good word.

H:So, when I meet you for the first time in five years, my friends are friends.

G:Oh, that is right, indeed.

H:It is not my best friend to contact you everyday.

G:That is it.

H:In that sense I might be full. If I say in such a meaning to understand each other.

G:In that sense, there are quite a lot more?

H:But it seems to be slightly different from the definition of a common best friend, but it actually feels like a real friend, is not it? That's why there is always something about being always together, always being hung around always being friends.

G:I see.

H:Everyone will make efforts to maintain something of that friendship.

G:Oh, there is something strange like that.

H:Is not it? It seems like that is not a real friend. When I think carefully, I think that I like to make contact, like a good friend.

· Continued
"Horiemon" that a newspaper or television never writes "The truth of" Horie Takafumi "- Long interview - Second part - - GIGAZINE